Rhythm Thief
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Incidentally, whose brilliant idea was it to limit HGVs to 6mph slower than coaches (and 4mph slower than their actual speed limit), but still ban coaches from the outside lane of the motorway?
Excuse for driving with a mobile phone
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Incidentally, whose brilliant idea was it to limit HGVs to 6mph slower than coaches (and 4mph slower than their actual speed limit), but still ban coaches from the outside lane of the motorway?
thomas
the tank engine
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Cunobelin said:
Okay, I'll admit I'm partly wrong there. I wasn't thinking about 'goods' vehicles, but actual cars. A lot of new German cars have limiters to 150mph (I think)...basically the car manufactures agreed to limit the cars to the German Gov'. Speeding, or excessive speeding is probably more of a problem with your random car driver, than lorry/bus driver.
I don't really think putting anti-mobile phone devices in cars is the answer. Most modern cars probably come with hands free and older cars wouldn't have the technology so you'd still be able to use your phone.
In a similar way to drink driving (note: not drunk driving), I think future generations will get better. I bet people on here who are say 30+ are more likely to have a drink and then drive, than a lot of people my age (new drivers).
Things become unfashionable, so maybe the next generation will on the whole not use mobile phones when driving. Attitudes do change, but not instantly.
The thing with mobile phones and driving is, it's all a bit of a farce. I'm sure they are bad, but on the whole this isn't really promoted. Yes, there's that silly bear thing, but people don't take it seriously so it doesn't work.
As Mags said (assuming he was right), that using your mobile phone gives you similar reactions to being drunk (I doubt it, but whatever), then surely all cars should require a breath specimen before starting up. I bet more people get killed by drink drivers than mobile phone users. Same sort of logic.
thomas said:
It's true. Taken from a Rospa report (which contains references):
On average, drivers’reaction times were 50% slower when
using a hand-held mobile phone than under normal driving
conditions, and 30% slower than when under the influence of
alcohol. It took hand-held mobile phone users half a second
longer, on average, to react than normal, and a third of a
second longer to react compared to when they had drunk
alcohol.At 70 mph, this is equivalent to travelling an additional
46 feet (14m) before reacting to a hazard on the road.
I have to say I really don't agree with mobile jammers in cars. I think an awareness campaign that you are as bad as/worse than a drunk driver if you use a mobile phone would have an effect. Something along the lines of a drink driving advert would make a lot of people think twice. It's all about making it socially unacceptable.
thomas
the tank engine
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magnatom said:
I'm sure it probably is, but I still don't really believe it. I'd rather drive on my phone than drive drunk.
Joe24
More serious cyclist than Bonj
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And ofcourse, put a mobile phone jammer in the car, and the car crashes off the road in the middle of know where. The occupents in the car are sort of conscious, but are trapped. Theres no other cars around. They have a mobile phone.
How do they phone for help if the mobile phone signal is being jammed?
How do they phone for help if the mobile phone signal is being jammed?
Sh4rkyBloke
Jaffa Cake monster
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No probs if it's linked to the ignition/electrics as these'd probably be out already and so phoning would be possible.Joe24 said:
Not sure whether I'm for them or not though... if only they could be limited to the driver's side....
Crankarm
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Joe24 said:
They die unless one of them can get out and summon help. Some of us can remember life before mobile phones. The driver should have been more attentive to the road conditions perhaps then he/she wouldn't have crashed. Sorry I don't have any sympathy for these people. Just last week a Golf Gti was being driven along the A14 at flat out top speed west from Cambridge toward Huntingdon. The traffic cops couldn't get the driver to stop so backed off letting it go. It left the A14 and then went on a fairly wide and well appointed A road toward Earith. However quite inexplicably the driver lost control and it rolled off the road (straight) and caught fire. The two traffic cops following a few mintues behind pulled 5 women who were trapped from the burning shell. By all rights they should be dead. The driver had refused the traffic police requests and attempts for it to stop
.Joe24
More serious cyclist than Bonj
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Crankarm said:They die unless one of them can get out and summon help. Some of us can remember life before mobile phones. The driver should have been more attentive to the road conditions perhaps then he/she wouldn't have crashed. Sorry I don't have any sympathy for these people. Just last week a Golf Gti was being driven along the A14 at flat out top speed west from Cambridge toward Huntingdon. The traffic cops couldn't get the driver to stop so backed off letting it go. It left the A14 and then went on a fairly wide and well appointed A road toward Earith. However quite inexplicably the driver lost control and it rolled off the road (straight) and caught fire. The two traffic cops following a few mintues behind pulled 5 women who were trapped from the burning shell. By all rights they should be dead. The driver had refused the traffic police requests and attempts for it to stop
Your a complete and utter twat.
You want there to be a phone blocker, stopping the use of a phone, when the phone could be needed in a proper emergency?
Ok, so you remember life without mobile phones. People remember life without TVs, but they have them now.
The answer is so very simple though.....
If the ignorant and stupid were to stop usingthem whilst driving then we wouldn't even be discussing the possibility as there would be no need!
These restrictions are brought in as a response to this failure to observe simpla and reasonable restrictions.
I can remember when it was "in vogue" and considered essential to carry sharp knives in the car to cut the seatbelts, but that would be an offence now... things change......
If the ignorant and stupid were to stop usingthem whilst driving then we wouldn't even be discussing the possibility as there would be no need!
These restrictions are brought in as a response to this failure to observe simpla and reasonable restrictions.
I can remember when it was "in vogue" and considered essential to carry sharp knives in the car to cut the seatbelts, but that would be an offence now... things change......
hackbike 666
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Joe24 said:
Is there any need to be so abusive?
looking at that youtube of the builder's van, noticed downfader's comment:
So you want the phone companies to stop any calls where the phone is moving at 15mph+???
LOL
So now people can't use their phone in the train, and passengers in a car or bus can't use their phone either.
Extreme example I know, but I'd like to think that someone witnessing an assault on a moving bus would be able to call the police freely, or the passenger in a car on the motorway would be able to call her kids to let them know she'll be late picking them up, for example....
So you want the phone companies to stop any calls where the phone is moving at 15mph+???
LOL
So now people can't use their phone in the train, and passengers in a car or bus can't use their phone either.
Extreme example I know, but I'd like to think that someone witnessing an assault on a moving bus would be able to call the police freely, or the passenger in a car on the motorway would be able to call her kids to let them know she'll be late picking them up, for example....
thomas
the tank engine
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hackbike 666 said:
+1...Joe...I can agree with some of the stuff out of your mouth, but not all the insults.
Crankarm
Guru
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Joe24 said:
You're young and only experience and maturity will temper your tantrums. You might grow into a tolerant and considerate person.
First you have wrongly attributed to me that I want there to be a phone blocker, stopping the use of a phone, when the phone could be needed in a proper emergency?
If you go back and read carefully you will see that these are the statements of others and yourself, not me.
Surely it would be the door(s) that would jammed not the mobile...
Jim_Noir
New Member
Jammer cuts off when ignation is switched off.
Not sure how many off you remeber back to the 70s and 80s when drink driving was acceptable, and how many movies show people getting tanked up and driving. Now mobile phone using drivers seem to get a worse press than drink drivers, and I'm with Thomas as it can't be as bad as drink driving. That said, the people I do see using their phone while driving seem to be very bad drivers... is this the phone or would the be shoot anyway? I have my phone off when I am driving/on the bike/running... this is because I have no mates so no one bar the Mrs will be calling
Not sure how many off you remeber back to the 70s and 80s when drink driving was acceptable, and how many movies show people getting tanked up and driving. Now mobile phone using drivers seem to get a worse press than drink drivers, and I'm with Thomas as it can't be as bad as drink driving. That said, the people I do see using their phone while driving seem to be very bad drivers... is this the phone or would the be shoot anyway? I have my phone off when I am driving/on the bike/running... this is because I have no mates so no one bar the Mrs will be calling
