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solgursky

Guru
There are loads of lorries on the roads now, despite the downturn, lots of new buildings and soil, rubble to be removed, the drivers paid per load.
 
bryce

bryce

Guru
Location
London, SW10
looks like lorry was indeed turning left. Guy may have gone straight up the inside without knowing the lorry was turning left. I hope lorry was indicating. Horrible sight seeing the mangled bike, poor guy indeed.
 
Blackandblue

Blackandblue

Guru
Location
London
One can only speculate but the lorry looks like it was in a left turn lane so if the cyclist was trapped on the inside of the lorry he must also have been in the left turn lane. The left turn looks especially tight for the lorry so it is unlikely it performed the manoeuvre very quickly.
 
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BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
I'd be willing to bet more than half of these HGV/cyclist interactions are the fault of the HGV driver. Sure, some will be due to numpty cyclists going up the left, I'm talking generally of course, not in relation to this specific incident.
 
ChrisKH

ChrisKH

Legendary Member
Location
Essex
Rhythm Thief said:
Possibly, although it would be a brave or stupid cyclist who'd go blithely zipping up the inside of an artic at traffic lights, trusting to the fact that there are three mirrors on the passenger side instead of two. The driver still has to look in them (and with the best will in the world, there are times when a driver is looking somewhere else - we've still got only two eyes), and all the mirrors in the world won't allow the driver to see through the corner of the trailer when the lorry is at an angle. Extra training may be helpful, however.
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I would never say any different. When wifey rang to check it wasn't me (despite the fact I don't commute via Holborn) my response was that you wouldn't find me going up either side of a lorry unless it was safe to do so and even then I would want the ability to bail out. I usually sit behind buses and lorries at lights and wait for them to do what they have got to do unless I can safely get to an ASL and even then subject to them being able to see me.
 
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LOGAN 5

Guru
That junction has a dedicated left turn lane with arrow on the road. I always sit either forward of the line there or well into the lane to avoid left hooks. The junction is tight for an articulated lorry so he must have been in the middle lane before taking the corner. There are railings too which would trap anybody on the inside. Whether the bike came up or was already there I don't know.;)
 
domtyler

domtyler

Legendary Member
Looks like the lorry was in the straight on lane then changed his mind and veered across to the go left at the last minute, missing the cyclists presence.
 
jmaccyd

jmaccyd

Guru
domtyler said:
Looks like the lorry was in the straight on lane then changed his mind and veered across to the go left at the last minute, missing the cyclists presence.
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Possibly, but it is a tight turn for an artic and they might have had to be in the 'straight ahead lane' to get round the corner correctly (I think I have seen large vehicles doing that before at that junction)
 
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PeteinLadywell

Guru
jmaccyd said:
Possibly, but it is a tight turn for an artic and they might have had to be in the 'straight ahead lane' to get round the corner correctly (I think I have seen large vehicles doing that before at that junction)
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In that situation it is really difficult for the cyclist to know what the driver is going to do. It wouldn't be unreasonable to expect someone in the lane for straight ahead to go straight on. It just goes to show how careful you have to be around trucks and even then you can't be 100% sure you will be safe.
 
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