Fatality

[CotterPin]

In those cases the driver SHOULD have his left turn indicators on.

At the moment everything remains speculation, however. The only thing that is for certain is that another life has been tragically lost.

 

[Origamist]

From Moving Target: http://www.movingtargetzine.com/article/cyclist-down-left-turning-lorry-southampton-row


"Yes – just found out it was a bloke, sounded like a women and couldn’t see much under the lorry. Still gives me the shivers thinking about it. I was about 25 metres past the junction on Southampton Row and when I turned round it was pretty much all over but the lorry driver didn’t seem to notice and kept going. Only when a guy on the pavement screamed at him to stop did he pull up. It seems to be another feature of these incidents – lorry drivers don’t notice the cyclist and often don’t even realise they have gone over someone. I have to say I had turned left into Southampton Row against the red light to avoid precisely what happened to this poor guy. "

 

[Jake]

not nice at all. hope it makes people pay more attention and we learn from this terrible accident.

 

[Domestique]

I feel so sad now I read this.
It would be nice to see the government get its act together and start to give cyclists and other vulnerable road users better protection. Situations like this, whoever is deemed at fault, are just not acceptable. No one should be killed by a car/lorry etc turning left.

 

[Jake]

maybe we should have a roll call or a register each morning to check all of us have got in safely!

 

[Rhythm Thief]

if you're happy to see all the shops empty within a week, then go ahead and ban lorries from London.

Between 6am and 10 pm.

OK, stand by for all the complaints from people who live near places which need deliveries, such as high street shops, Tesco expresses, etc. And don't forget to arrange for all the forklift drivers and warehouse staff tro work nights too. It's a nice idea, but it's just not practical, unless the public are prepared to demand less and reduce their expectations.

 

[Rhythm Thief]

Possibly, but it is a tight turn for an artic and they might have had to be in the 'straight ahead lane' to get round the corner correctly (I think I have seen large vehicles doing that before at that junction)

Yep, that's where I'd have been to turn left there. Especially with a tandem axle trailer. Domtyler's post shows how little many people know about how much space lorries actually need at junctions - it's not a matter of "being in the wrong lane and veering across at the last minute" - the driver had little choice. And if the cyclist decided at the last minute to nip down the inside, there's every chance the driver wouldn't see him: the cyclist would have been on the blind side of the truck and the driver would have been watching the front right hand corner of his trailer and the area immediately in front of his cab, as well as looking as best he could down the inside of his trailer.
Moral? Unless you know exactly what a truck is going to do next (and you don't), stay away from it.

 

[domtyler]

Yep, that's where I'd have been to turn left there. Especially with a tandem axle trailer. Domtyler's post shows how little many people know about how much space lorries actually need at junctions - it's not a matter of "being in the wrong lane and veering across at the last minute" - the driver had little choice. And if the cyclist decided at the last minute to nip down the inside, there's every chance the driver wouldn't see him: the cyclist would have been on the blind side of the truck and the driver would have been watching the front right hand corner of his trailer and the area immediately in front of his cab, as well as looking as best he could down the inside of his trailer.
Moral? Unless you know exactly what a truck is going to do next (and you don't), stay away from it.

Nah, I'd say the moral is don't let HGV's use city centre roads during peak times. Force them to drop off at distribution centres and use vans for onward deliveries or, if not possible, make the delivery during off peak.

 

[solgursky]

Emily Thornberry MP was just on ITV London Tonight calling for a ban on vehicles that cannot see cyclists or peds. Might cost a few quid, what price a life?

I can't disagree with her, an unregulated industry that flouts safety laws and kills people with only the prospect of a derisory fine if charged.


If the HGV killed someone on a building site HSE would be all over them, if it's a cyclist on the road nobody cares.

 

[Jake]

or, everyone just take more due care and attention. Try and read the road ahead as best you can. But yeah, would be good if heavy goods lorrys did not enter the city at certian times, i dont know how they manage it as it is as the road system is not designed for them, but little Romans in their chariots at best lol

 

[Rhythm Thief]

Nah, I'd say the moral is don't let HGV's use city centre roads during peak times. Force them to drop off at distribution centres and use vans for onward deliveries or, if not possible,make the delivery during off peak.

Ok, fair enough. My artic will take the same amount (in weight terms) as ten 7.5 tonners, or forty - odd transit vans. Imagine replacing every artic on London roads with that many vans ... quite.

 

[domtyler]

Interesting that BBC London Tonight has no mention of the two cyclists killed on the roads but has devoted ten minutes to telling cyclist off for hurting a couple of fucking dogs!! !!

 

[solgursky]

Ok, fair enough. My artic will take the same amount (in weight terms) as ten 7.5 tonners, or forty - odd transit vans. Imagine replacing every artic on London roads with that many vans ... quite.

We've no idea what was on the lorry, why it was in Bloomsbury, whether it was empty, the driver lost, delivering a printer part, whether the journey was necessary or could have been managed alternatively. The petrol price rises reduced congestion which suggests strongly to me that many urban journeys are unnescessarily short.

 

[Jake]

Interesting that BBC London Tonight has no mention of the two cyclists killed on the roads but has devoted ten minutes to telling cyclist off for hurting a couple of fucking dogs!! !!

haha BBC for you. it's like their unbiased reporting into that shot illegal brazilian

 

[hackbike 6]

Ahhh the BBC ripping me off for years.