Fined for hogging the middle of the road

[Archie_tect]

Only when it's raining as he gets left and right mixed up...

 

[gavintc]

There really as some dreadful drivers on here with no concept of how to drive on a motorway. If you really cannot cope with changing lanes, stick to your bike.

 

[Tin Pot]

Unless it's your first time, don't drive if you're scared to change lanes.

Incompetent drivers are hard enough to deal with, but terrified ones are impossible.

 

[Drago]

Drop the disqualification points threshold to 6, make retesting compulsory after a ban, make mobile phones a banning offence, 5 year re testing for all drivers. Let's get tough on the chumps.

 

[Pathfoot]

First point - this is a chat thread not a legal document.

It's a chat thread whose topic is what is legal on the roads, therefore, observations about that are not off topic.

You are being ridiculously pedantic picking up any exception for emergency vehicles. We are talking about normal road users.

So, you ask someone to "confirm" that no vehicle should be travelling at 80mph on a motorway. I point out that there are valid legal exceptions, and it's "ridiculously pedantic". Got it.

Second point - I have not at any point suggested that the so called lane hogger should hog the lane or act as any sort of speed controller.

I don't recall positing that you had. But there is a relevant point here surely worth making, the moreso since the behaviour of a tailgater is frequently aggressively directed at making the driver in front do something with his vehicle.

in pari delicto potior est conditio defendentis

No need for me to progress beyond this point. This is a chat thread, not a legal document.

Thank you for your reply.

 

[Pathfoot]

That's not what anyone has said, so no points for the straw man...

"The speed limit applies to all vehicles - including emergency vehicles" looks awfully like it to me.

 

[Brandane]

@mybike ; if you think that changing lanes on a motorway is hazardous then you are either doing it wrong, or you shouldn't be driving. Mirror - signal (if necessary) - manoeuvre. Where is the hazard in that, assuming you have properly assessed that it is clear for you to carry out the manoeuvre?

 

[mybike]

Not that it's really relevant to the thread topic, but there is no requirement to signal your intention to return to the original lane after overtaking.

Really, then that is an omission that should be corrected. If the driver behind you does not know what you are doing until you do it, then you are raising the level of risk.

 

[mybike]

[QUOTE 3764005, member: 45"]Examples?....[/QUOTE]

As has already been mentioned, when vehicles are joining the road from a slip road and also when someone behind you has already done so and left insufficient room for you.

[QUOTE 3764277, member: 45"]So you're not able to describe how much of a hazard you think it is?? But it's enough to make you worry about doing it? Rightyho.[/QUOTE]

You don't seem to be able to comprehend real driving conditions.

 

[mybike]

@mybike ; if you think that changing lanes on a motorway is hazardous then you are either doing it wrong, or you shouldn't be driving. Mirror - signal (if necessary) - manoeuvre. Where is the hazard in that, assuming you have properly assessed that it is clear for you to carry out the manoeuvre?

Why do you think you use your mirror if it is not a hazard? As for 'signal if necessary' one of the most stupid ideas to arise in recent years is that you can always tell if it is unnecessary to signal.

 

[mybike]

Perhaps it was written that way because it is a given that you move in after overtaking

On a motorway in real life it isn't a given. Certainly not when someone comes up the outside lane over the speed limit and crosses in front of you to take the exit.

 

[Archie_tect]

Ah the 'you didn't understand' trap... sneaky.

 

[Brandane]

Why do you think you use your mirror if it is not a hazard? As for 'signal if necessary' one of the most stupid ideas to arise in recent years is that you can always tell if it is unnecessary to signal.

You're supposed to check your mirror every 6 to 10 seconds in any circumstances; so I guess by your definition driving in a straight line on an empty road is hazardous?

Re signalling, it shouldn't be necessary to signal left to indicate that you are returning to the left lane, as that is where you are supposed to be. Or are you one of the cretins who feels the need to signal left after an overtake on a normal single carriageway? I agree that signalling left and right turns should always be done, as well as moving lanes to the right, and I really wish people would learn to indicate properly on roundabouts!

 

[Archie_tect]

Bored now...

 

[Dan B]

This whole thread is redolent of Safespeeding. "X[*] isn't dangerous and if you were a God of Driving like what I and six other people in the world are, you'd be able to do it too"

[*] for whatever value of X