First electric car experience

[MrGrumpy]

No axe to grind with EVs just its doesn’t fit in for me , however it might be something that I consider for the Mrs. Still bothers me thinking about depreciation in them. Future might well be autonomous vehicles , think “ Jonny Cab”

 

[Peugeotrider]

Have you actually driven an EV yourself ?

It's not the driving....it's the refuelling.
Looking like a plonker sitting at a charge point for 2 hours .
What if you have 3 EVs in your home and everyone needs charged at the same time?
Also....I hate automatic cars.

 

[icowden]

Range, general ease of use, like for like accommodation because the fuel tank is smaller/easier to design in than a couple of pallets of batteries, slightly less savage depreciation because the diesel won't be seen as worthless after six or eight years unlike the electric which will need thousands spent on it to make it anything other than a giant door stop, and easier to fix if it breaks because only a tiny number of garages know anything about electric cars.

Accommodation in an EV is usually roomier as there is no engine. Storage capacity is usually greater as there is no engine.
Most ICE cars lose 60% of their value over 3 years. For EVs this is less than 50% with tesla usually retaining greater than 60% of their value. They have fewer moving parts and can last a lot longer than ICE cars.

A2016 Tesla S P100D with Ludicrous mode will still cost you 70k in 2021 5 years later, only about 30k less than new. A 2017 Model X P90D with 70,000 miles on the clock? Yep £60,000 - again around 30k cheaper than new. So that,s 66% value retained. My 15k Renault Scenic lost 3k as soon as I drove it off the forecourt. Now with 70,000 miles on the clock 'd be lucky to get 2k for it.

EVs need much less servicing. No engine you see (no oil to change, no radiator to top up, no clutch to break). If there is a major problem the dealer will usually (ahem) deal with it. Garages are starting to train to maintain electric cars.

https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/do-electric-cars-depreciate#gref

 

[icowden]

No axe to grind with EVs just its doesn’t fit in for me , however it might be something that I consider for the Mrs. Still bothers me thinking about depreciation in them. Future might well be autonomous vehicles , think “ Jonny Cab”

I can help. Electric Cars deprecate *less* than ICE cars.

 

[icowden]

It's not the driving....it's the refuelling.
Looking like a plonker sitting at a charge point for 2 hours .
What if you have 3 EVs in your home and everyone needs charged at the same time?
Also....I hate automatic cars.

If you are sat at a charge point for 2 hours you will look like a plonker. Most cars take 30 mins tops for a top up. Getting quicker all the time.
Can you charge 3 phones at the same time? How about 3 phones, 3 ipads, the fridge, the computer, 3 tvs, the oven and all the lights?
You can install the infrastructure to charge multiple EVs. Obviously you will need a big driveway to park 3 cars on.

Alternatively are you really using 3 separate cars to do 100 miles plus per day?

At the end of the day we can indulge in whatabouttery as much as you like, but EVs are going to replace ICE in fairly short order.
Have you driven a Tesla with ludicrous mode (or even without)? If not, I suggest trying it. You will never want a clutch again!

 

[Pale Rider]

Accommodation in an EV is usually roomier as there is no engine. Storage capacity is usually greater as there is no engine.

Doesn't look like it from the pictures of rear and front luggage compartments.

I can help. Electric Cars deprecate *less* than ICE cars.

Try part exchanging an eight year old electric hatchback.

The car will be priced as needing a £5K or more battery pack and therefore next to worthless.

It's the same with ebikes.

Any buyer sees a five year old one as needing a new battery, up to £800, so there is next to nothing left to pay for the bike.

 

[icowden]

Try part exchanging an eight year old electric hatchback.
The car will be priced as needing a £5K or more battery pack and therefore next to worthless.

Whereas an 8 year old diesel is presumably worth millions?

Clue - my 10 year old Renault Grand Scenic has a value of just a little more than zero. If it was pristine, we buy any car would offer me 3k for it. It isn't. They won't.

 

[vickster]

Accommodation in an EV is usually roomier as there is no engine. Storage capacity is usually greater as there is no engine.
Most ICE cars lose 60% of their value over 3 years. For EVs this is less than 50% with tesla usually retaining greater than 60% of their value. They have fewer moving parts and can last a lot longer than ICE cars.

A2016 Tesla S P100D with Ludicrous mode will still cost you 70k in 2021 5 years later, only about 30k less than new. A 2017 Model X P90D with 70,000 miles on the clock? Yep £60,000 - again around 30k cheaper than new. So that,s 66% value retained. My 15k Renault Scenic lost 3k as soon as I drove it off the forecourt. Now with 70,000 miles on the clock 'd be lucky to get 2k for it.

EVs need much less servicing. No engine you see (no oil to change, no radiator to top up, no clutch to break). If there is a major problem the dealer will usually (ahem) deal with it. Garages are starting to train to maintain electric cars.

https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/do-electric-cars-depreciate#gref

Except unlike you, not everyone can afford / or justify (in my case) a 70-100k Tesla new (so the lower depreciation is utterly irrelevant, ditto the lower 'fuelling' costs) (or indeed the lease/loan costs to get one)

I think you mean depreciate not deprecate in your other post too

My Skoda cost me around 12k in 2013 (under a year old, 4k on clock...Skoda had in their management fleet and took the 6k loss), still only got 30k on clock (another reason why an EV car is of minimal interest to me), perhaps worth half that now, losing £30k on a Tesla 8 years seems like pretty poor depreciation (even if it is *only* 33%)

Yes a Tesla might make sense compared to a 100k diesel or petrol Audi/RR/BMW/Mercedes behemoth but not against the average family saloon or hatchback...and the behemoth buyer is evidently the market Teslas are currently aimed at it seems given the cost (and the big ones are every bit as ugly imo)

 

[MrGrumpy]

If you are sat at a charge point for 2 hours you will look like a plonker. Most cars take 30 mins tops for a top up. Getting quicker all the time.
Can you charge 3 phones at the same time? How about 3 phones, 3 ipads, the fridge, the computer, 3 tvs, the oven and all the lights?
You can install the infrastructure to charge multiple EVs. Obviously you will need a big driveway to park 3 cars on.

Alternatively are you really using 3 separate cars to do 100 miles plus per day?

At the end of the day we can indulge in whatabouttery as much as you like, but EVs are going to replace ICE in fairly short order.
Have you driven a Tesla with ludicrous mode (or even without)? If not, I suggest trying it. You will never want a clutch again!

We can indulge , how are we going to supply enough power to recharge all these EV vehicles? I agree we cannot go on for ever with emissions but EV is part answer only.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Accommodation in an EV is usually roomier as there is no engine. Storage capacity is usually greater as there is no engine.
Most ICE cars lose 60% of their value over 3 years. For EVs this is less than 50% with tesla usually retaining greater than 60% of their value. They have fewer moving parts and can last a lot longer than ICE cars.

A2016 Tesla S P100D with Ludicrous mode will still cost you 70k in 2021 5 years later, only about 30k less than new. A 2017 Model X P90D with 70,000 miles on the clock? Yep £60,000 - again around 30k cheaper than new. So that,s 66% value retained. My 15k Renault Scenic lost 3k as soon as I drove it off the forecourt. Now with 70,000 miles on the clock 'd be lucky to get 2k for it.

EVs need much less servicing. No engine you see (no oil to change, no radiator to top up, no clutch to break). If there is a major problem the dealer will usually (ahem) deal with it. Garages are starting to train to maintain electric cars.

https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/do-electric-cars-depreciate#gref

Funny my bro in law had to buy a roof box and then slim down even more what they could carry for a camping weekend in the Tesla. They took the BMW away the second week as not enough room. To be fair probably bought the wrong car. A toyota might have been better but in all seriousness the X5 he had before would have worked out better , cost wise. Anyway digressing .

 

[vickster]

We can indulge , how are we going to supply enough power to recharge all these EV vehicles? I agree we cannot go on for ever with emissions but EV is part answer only.

Burning fossil fuels?

 

[gzoom]

It's not the driving....it's the refuelling.
Looking like a plonker sitting at a charge point for 2 hours .
What if you have 3 EVs in your home and everyone needs charged at the same time?
Also....I hate automatic cars.

I've never sat at a charger for 2 hrs in 5 years of having an EV as our main car. Infact on our recent 1020 mile trip to Scotland I had to move the car from the charger because the humans weren't ready to travel and car was at 100% charge.

Do you think charging EVs requires magic? If you have a spare plug socket at home you can charge an EV, or do you only have 1 plug socket.

As for 'hating' automatics, what more needs to be said when even Porsche and Ferrari sell essentially only automatics these days....may be you are the odd one out? Yet you work in the motor trade?

 

[icowden]

Funny my bro in law had to buy a roof box and then slim down even more what they could carry for a camping weekend in the Tesla.

Yes, an X is more practical for things like camping. One reason why I haven't looked at a Model 3. I quite fancy a Y when it is available (unlike @gzoom I can't afford an X <sob>).

 

[icowden]

Burning fossil fuels?

Nah. Renewables. Wind and solar.

 

[vickster]

Nah. Renewables. Wind and solar.

You think there’ll be enough capacity?