FNRttC - could it be a club?
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Ravenbait
Someone's imaginary friend
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I'm not sure I really have anything to contribute as regards to the Club aspect, sadly. Much as I would like to go on one, I'm far too far north to make it to more than one as a special occasion. Our single overnight century is the Dumb Run, which isn't really organised so much as has a date set for it, and I'm already involved with that (plus it happens on a Saturday).
For those reasons I wouldn't be especially keen to join a club if I had to do so to come on a ride. On the other hand, I'm already a CTC member. And a Tri Scotland race licence holder. I have 3rd party insurance.
Sam
For those reasons I wouldn't be especially keen to join a club if I had to do so to come on a ride. On the other hand, I'm already a CTC member. And a Tri Scotland race licence holder. I have 3rd party insurance.
Sam
I entirely take your point, Sam. The first person I discussed this with expressed a strong preference for the simplicity of the present arrangement - a preference I share. I just don't think that it's available, so I'm sort of casting around for the next best thing
Well this is most unfair. You can't even get a few mates together for a little ride without .....
I'd agree with many of the others, that the club option is the least worst choice. And without knowing what might be involved, I would be happy to lend a hand in any admin capacity that might be useful, however menial.
I'd agree with many of the others, that the club option is the least worst choice. And without knowing what might be involved, I would be happy to lend a hand in any admin capacity that might be useful, however menial.
StuAff
Silencing his legs regularly
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- Portsmouth
I did three successive FNRttC rides this year; each ride, in their separate ways, provided a great learning experience for me in my second year on the road. Part of the charm of FNRttC is the somewhat random collection of riders and the relaxed carefree spirit. However I feel that carefree can be over done. Frankly I now think FNRttC should be open only to those who can prove they have third party cover; just consider the risk factors
1. large numbers
2. unspecified requirements re skills/experience/common sense
3. dark
4. tiredness
Two instances form my view. On the Bognor ride those present will recall Stu’s fall on Reigate Hill. Within 500 m of leaving that spot and whilst Stu was being attended to by the ambulance team, I was undertaken (passed on the LHS) by two prats on mountain bikes. I was descending at about 35kph – they must have been travelling at 45kph. I was somewhat shaken. In October, on a group potter in daylight a rider toward the front of a peloton fell into a pothole and 5 riders further back were brought down. I broke my forearm and thumb and another fellow a collarbone. In the first instance had there been accident prat’s insurance would have responded. In the second incident random bad luck has played its part and we have to accept that risk (or have personal injury insurance).
This does not cover the position of our tireless leader, Simon. Perhaps we should draw an analogy with offshore yacht races in which I was very active some 20 years ago; everyone starts on his own risk and gives an explicit waiver of any claim against the organising club. I do not know if such waivers are effective in the modern nanny state but does this provide a way forward that avoids the administration that would be required to form a club or hold a CTC event?
1. large numbers
2. unspecified requirements re skills/experience/common sense
3. dark
4. tiredness
Two instances form my view. On the Bognor ride those present will recall Stu’s fall on Reigate Hill. Within 500 m of leaving that spot and whilst Stu was being attended to by the ambulance team, I was undertaken (passed on the LHS) by two prats on mountain bikes. I was descending at about 35kph – they must have been travelling at 45kph. I was somewhat shaken. In October, on a group potter in daylight a rider toward the front of a peloton fell into a pothole and 5 riders further back were brought down. I broke my forearm and thumb and another fellow a collarbone. In the first instance had there been accident prat’s insurance would have responded. In the second incident random bad luck has played its part and we have to accept that risk (or have personal injury insurance).
This does not cover the position of our tireless leader, Simon. Perhaps we should draw an analogy with offshore yacht races in which I was very active some 20 years ago; everyone starts on his own risk and gives an explicit waiver of any claim against the organising club. I do not know if such waivers are effective in the modern nanny state but does this provide a way forward that avoids the administration that would be required to form a club or hold a CTC event?
in the end I have to ask myself - was I negligent? 'B-52 Stu went off the rails approximately two minutes after I told the group 'don't take the piss' but I didn't actually say 'don't run over the catseyes' which, in all honesty, I might have done. Equally the April shenanigans might have been avoided if I'd chosen a different approach down the A1306 - but, then again, there were sound reasons for restricting the speed of the front end of the ride. And what am I supposed to say on Lonesome Lane? - 'don't tear up this tarmac despite it being probably the most fabulous cycling experience you'll ever have'
I'm reminded of this one
http://www.architect...y.co.uk/?p=4991 Southwark Primary Care Trust sued the architects, engineer Haskins Robinson Waters, contractor YJL London and specialist subcontractor In Situ Rammed Earth for breach of contract and negligence. Now, according to me (not personally involved, by the way), Southwark PCT had no claim whatsoever, much less the £4M they claimed on a £1.2M building, but the insurance company settled on the courtroom steps and recouped their losses through the next umpteen years' insurance.
So I do my best. And, actually, the FNRttC's is pretty good. But, yes, it would be a great relief if all those on the ride had 3rd party insurance. A great relief.
I'm reminded of this one
http://www.architect...y.co.uk/?p=4991 Southwark Primary Care Trust sued the architects, engineer Haskins Robinson Waters, contractor YJL London and specialist subcontractor In Situ Rammed Earth for breach of contract and negligence. Now, according to me (not personally involved, by the way), Southwark PCT had no claim whatsoever, much less the £4M they claimed on a £1.2M building, but the insurance company settled on the courtroom steps and recouped their losses through the next umpteen years' insurance.
So I do my best. And, actually, the FNRttC's is pretty good. But, yes, it would be a great relief if all those on the ride had 3rd party insurance. A great relief.
Fab Foodie
hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
- Location
- Kirton, Devon.
Arrived ath this thread too late to go through all of it other than the opening Salvoes...
FWIW, Freewheeling had to become a 'Club' with a £1 membership fee and a register of riders in order to cover leaders liability insurance. To my mind it's an absolute arse, but there didn't seem to be any way around it to get the necessary insurance.
I just wouldn't want to join a club that would have me as a member....
FWIW, Freewheeling had to become a 'Club' with a £1 membership fee and a register of riders in order to cover leaders liability insurance. To my mind it's an absolute arse, but there didn't seem to be any way around it to get the necessary insurance.
I just wouldn't want to join a club that would have me as a member....
StuAff
Silencing his legs regularly
- Location
- Portsmouth
Geoffrey's made some good points about third-party insurance. Something I'll have to look at (and no, not because of what happened to me), with LeJOG and Pedal to Paris 2011 in mind. Perhaps I'll join the CTC ('Cycle' usually has an article or two worth reading, and I can vote 'no' to the charity thing!).
And Simon, please, it wasn't your fault. I'd been down there before, safely, several times, so I knew the risks etc, and what went wrong that time I honestly don't know (on account of having no recollection of it whatsoever). Ditto with poor old Andrew in April. It could have happened to anyone, regardless of experience, and regardless of what you said.
And Simon, please, it wasn't your fault. I'd been down there before, safely, several times, so I knew the risks etc, and what went wrong that time I honestly don't know (on account of having no recollection of it whatsoever). Ditto with poor old Andrew in April. It could have happened to anyone, regardless of experience, and regardless of what you said.
Fab Foodie
hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
- Location
- Kirton, Devon.
they insured this lot!!!!! There's hope for us yet!
That was taken before the beautiful people joined...
zigzag
Veteran
a bit late to this topic, but i agree with whatever works best to keep the rides going. i tend to avoid belonging to any clubs unless absolutely necessary. the less paperwork, the better. i buy multi-trip travel insurance every year anyway and i hope it covers trips within uk (such as fnrttc or audax) as well. need to reed the fine print.. if it does, i'd be reluctant to pay for cycling insurance twice by joining ctc or other c.
I would be surprised if it did. But yes, you need to read the fine print.
