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MrHappyCyclist

Riding the Devil's HIghway
Location
Bolton, England
For me lycra gives the impression the wearer is somewhat more "serious" about cycling as sport as opposed to just commuting or leisurely exercising about ... I think more accurate analogy with football would someone going to park wearing boots, shorts, shin guards, and taking special drinks or whatnot and personal trainer with them.
I disagree. I am not a sports fanatic but I wear lycra. I am "just" a commuter; my commute is 12.5 miles each way. I do the outward journey in less than 50 minutes - average speed 15mph, even though I'm stopping at all the red lights. I arrive at work either wet from the rain or wet with sweat. In a week, I will spend between 8 and 10 hours grinding my arse on a fairly firm saddle. Padded, quick-drying lycra shorts or tights are simply the most practical and sensible things to wear under those conditions.
 

Jezston

Über Member
Location
London
:biggrin: That sort of thing is so common on a recumbent it's all water off a duck's back now. Quite often there are 2 or 3 cameras pointed at the bike taking pictures, usually mobile phones out car windows.

You should carry around a stack of cards which you give out to such people as you encounter them, the cards containing a web address for a site extolling the virtues of recumbents. Seriously, that guy on the scooter had a total "I want one of them!" expression on his face.
 

Camgreen

Well-Known Member
Sometimes it's 6 of the blighters:


View: http://youtu.be/kI6OOUvuHzo


I didn't think AirZounding would add anything to that situation. This is a new high for me, I learnt to drive in a country where one hand on the horn and the other on the gear lever was normal behaviour.


Find it incredible to see two cyclist trying to squeeze between you and the standing traffic as you attempt your overtake. Not the brightest of moves in my opinion ... or is it just me?
 
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Nigeyy

Legendary Member
In all fairness, yes, usually US motorists are more polite, and are certainly more likely to let someone in to traffic. Cloverleafs -for me -defy logic and common sense for major highways (you get an exit ramp immediately after an entrance ramp, thus you get traffic streams entering and exiting a highway crossing over one another).

Anyway, it's interesting about the question of lycra/spandex. I happen to wear lycra cycling shorts as (to put no finer point on it) they prevent my rather too chubby thighs from rubbing together. I also have mtb clipless shoes -but I tend not to wear "proper" cycling tops as I find them very scratchy and uncomfortable. Even in hot weather, I prefer the feel of cotton, so mostly it's t-shirts for me.

FWIW, I deliberately tried to leave out the description of the cyclist in my original post -but yes, he was a pro-roadie lookalike. I think I posted before, but I find a big generalization to be commuter and touring cyclists to be the most sensible, and POBs and pro-roadie lookalikes to be the worst offenders. That's not to say you can't get good and bad examples of each, jus' sayin'.

And of course other motorized vehicles will also jump their turn at this junction as well, it's not just cyclists.



4 way stops & single bridge cloverleafs - tributes to the politeness of (most) American drivers. Asking for a fight anywhere else.
 

Dan B

Disengaged member
Find it incredible to see two cyclist trying to squeeze between you and the standing traffic as you attempt your overtake. Not the brightest of moves in my opinion ... or is it just me?

Spend any time in Hyde Park and you'll begin to find it quite normal, I promise you. The Royal Parks have the highest standard of cycling idiocy anywhere in London and that's before taking into account the recent "learn to ride on a boris bike" trend
 

brokenbetty

Über Member
Location
London
I find it very annoying when people make comments about cyclists in lycra, lycra clad warriors etc.
Would they say the similar to someone who turns up to play tennis in all-whites? Or someone who goes for a football kickaround in the park wearing boots and shorts? I can never work out what the difference is. You wear something comfortable and practical for the physical activity you are doing.

Lycra is only practical for a specific subset of cycling: ie going fast and/or going far.

When I see a mamil in town I assume either he's all gear and no idea or intends to ride unsuitably aggressively. And I am a cyclist.
 

400bhp

Guru
Lycra is only practical for a specific subset of cycling: ie going fast and/or going far.

When I see a mamil in town I assume either he's all gear and no idea or intends to ride unsuitably aggressively. And I am a cyclist.

Absolute garbage.
 

MrHappyCyclist

Riding the Devil's HIghway
Location
Bolton, England
Lycra is only practical for a specific subset of cycling: ie going fast and/or going far.
When I see a mamil in town I assume either he's all gear and no idea or intends to ride unsuitably aggressively. And I am a cyclist.

I agree with 400bhp; I really don't understand this strange prejudice, though it seems to be very common.

Why are my Lycra pants practical for commuting?
  • they are padded
  • they don't crease up under my seat bones and I can go commando
  • they move with my arse, so any friction is between the pants and the saddle, not the arse and the pants
which all helps with cycling 100 to 125 miles per week over 8 to 10 hours

  • when they get wet, they dry very quickly so I don't have to carry spares
What's it got to do with riding aggressively? Why does it imply I have no idea? Pure irrational prejudice.
 

brokenbetty

Über Member
Location
London
I agree with 400bhp; I really don't understand this strange prejudice, though it seems to be very common.

Why are my Lycra pants practical for commuting?
  • they are padded
  • they don't crease up under my seat bones and I can go commando
  • they move with my arse, so any friction is between the pants and the saddle, not the arse and the pants
which all helps with cycling 100 to 125 miles per week over 8 to 10 hours

  • when they get wet, they dry very quickly so I don't have to carry spares
What's it got to do with riding aggressively? Why does it imply I have no idea? Pure irrational prejudice.

I can do 10 miles quite comfortably in a pair of jeans because I keep to a gentle pace. Your lycra and padding is only necessary because you don't want to slow down. Lycra implies aggressive cycling because unless you are doing real distance the only reason for it is to go fast.

That's purely rational. What would be irrational is to wear special dress-up clothes for a journey that doesn't justify them.
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
I can do 10 miles quite comfortably in a pair of jeans because I keep to a gentle pace. Your lycra and padding is only necessary because you don't want to slow down. Lycra implies aggressive cycling because unless you are doing real distance the only reason for it is to go fast.

That's purely rational. What would be irrational is to wear special dress-up clothes for a journey that doesn't justify them.


I don't mean to be harsh, but that does come across as rather judgemental, and irrational. Not everyone's needs and situation are the same as yours.
 

brokenbetty

Über Member
Location
London
I don't mean to be harsh, but that does come across as rather judgemental, and irrational. Not everyone's needs and situation are the same as yours.

What is the need that lycra meets? Chaffing. What causes chaffing? Riding hard (ie fast) or for a long time. If you don't do either you really don't need it.

Bikes were invented about a century before Lycra shorts. Presumably for about 100 years people just looked at them thinking "I'd love to try that but I just haven't got the right clothes" :laugh:
 

brokenbetty

Über Member
Location
London
That's so wrong I just don't know where to start....

Start from the other end. What benefits does wearing lycra give other than facilitating riding harder than ordinary clothes such that it would be irrational to assume someone dressed in lycra intends to ride harder than someone who isn't?
 
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