Sorry John, for my part too: I had assumed that what you said before was a post astray from a totally unrelated thread (this can happen, by mistake, e.g. if you have two windows of your browser open ).
Had no idea that there was any ad hominem stuff directed at me! I was only being a bit light-hearted with my 'nice people' reference. I think I know what the score is, though it would be a wise man who could claim to know everything there is to know about cycling and attitudes towards cyclists. Pax?