FNRttC Friday Night Ride to the Coast - Whitstable 5th October

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StuartG

slower but further
Location
SE London
I got home at 12.45pm or thereabouts. I cleaned washed the bike because it looked so disgraceful my dirty hallway carpet would have protested.
Another superhero! In contrast I got home, threw the bike into the garage and immediately retired to bed leaving it in a truly disgusting state. Yesterday my guilt got the better of me and I attempted to re-fettle it.

The good news.

My electrics all survived. Pride of place must go to my pair of £4.98 7DayShop Cree lights which kept the rain out. There was a little fogging on the lens glass but that was probably just condensate rather than leakage. Easily dismantled and cleaned. Vaseline applied to enhance seal. Recycle - a cheap backup to your dynohub? (I loved dynohubs as the only dynamos that reliably worked in the wet).

The bad news.

Both fore and aft brake blocks were completely shot. Metal on metal. And I think I heard at least one other with the same issue on the latter part of the ride. I'm pretty sure they looked OK before I left and they should have lasted another 500/1000 miles. Question: Did the exceptional weather cause exceptional wear?
 

Recycle

Über Member
Location
Caterham
Both fore and aft brake blocks were completely shot. Metal on metal. And I think I heard at least one other with the same issue on the latter part of the ride. I'm pretty sure they looked OK before I left and they should have lasted another 500/1000 miles. Question: Did the exceptional weather cause exceptional wear?
In short yes. Mud & grit coats the rims in wet weather acts as a very effective grinding past.
 

Recycle

Über Member
Location
Caterham
One piece of good news. The relatively short drenching that my bike received removed a creaking noise from my Brooks that was starting to annoy me.
Probably a good idea to re-tension the saddle. I ignored the creaking on mine and the tension bolt snapped! When the saddle collapsed the metal nose cone tore as well. Since I had shared about 7000 miles with the saddle, the saddle & my bum had learned to accommodate each other so I sent it back to Brooks & they repaired (at a cost of £40!).
Of course it may have just been caused by a duff tension bolt but I wouldn't chance it.
 

martint235

Dog on a bike
Location
Welling
I think it's a duff saddle as I've been having issues with it for a while. I don't think the tension bolt works anymore. I'm planning on replacing the saddle fairly soon anyway (once my next lot of overtime comes in)
 
Location
Brussels
I was equipped for a 48F ride but at the last moment, on a whim, I added another base layer. Even with this I was dangerously cold by Erith. Without it I would not have made Plumstead. Oh for yet another layer. I had seriously miscalculated the cooling effect of being wet. This was more like a 38F ride.

And looking at the reports above the ride was not so much about strength of legs or will but simple decisions on layers. Alternatively it was about those with still functioning minds who made sensible choices about returning as opposed to the senseless who just ploughed on.

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I think you are right about the layers/warmth being the deciding factor. I made a lucky choice before leaving home to wear my heavyweight Merino jersey, by Strood it was damp around the hem and down the front but I was still warm. This was in contrast to many others who were shivering away in the hall.

I am, howeve,r a bit pissed off wth my raincoat, a Montane storrmrider which up until Friday I had rated highly for being both waterproof and breathable(eVent). The ride has shown up that the storm flap over the zip is poorly designed. It is fixed with a press stud at the bottom and nothing else: as a result there was a lot of water ingress at the zip. There was a second point of entry between the top of the zip and the velco fastening for the collar. This is the first time there has been a problem but I guess we tested everything pretty much to the limit
 

Recycle

Über Member
Location
Caterham
I think you are right about the layers/warmth being the deciding factor. I made a lucky choice before leaving home to wear my heavyweight Merino jersey, by Strood it was damp around the hem and down the front but I was still warm. This was in contrast to many others who were shivering away in the hall.
Merino was a good choice. I'm going into geek mode here but given the Whitstable experience and since we are going into winter some may find this information useful.
When considering clothing, fabrics rate as follows for warmth:
1. Wool
2. Artificial wicking fabrics.
...
1000000000. Cotton

Wool performs well because nature evolved it to protect an animal from the elements. It protects you from both the heat and the cold. A woollen garment can absorb 30% of its mass in water and still feel dry to the touch. The reason is because the wool fibre keeps its shape when it gets wet. This allows the garment to maintain the spaces between the fibres and it's the spaces between the fibres, not the fibres that keep you warm. Wool still has insulating properties when it is soaked. Wool also has good wicking properties and dries fast. Unfortunately not as fast as nature intended because modern processing washes out most of the natural lanolin oil that you find in raw wool. It's the lanolin that promotes the wicking. Washing detergents specialised for wool will add some of the lanolin back so it is worth using them

Specialist artificial fabrics perform next best but performance varies. You get what you pay for. Also, the fabrics tend to specialise and are either designed to wick or insulate. Wool does both.

AVOID COTTON! Yes it's natural fabric and great for casual wear but it will land you in trouble if you get caught in bad weather for any extended period of time. I'm not kidding, cotton can cause hyperthermia. Here is why:
Nature evolved cotton to carry a seed in the wind and we are using the fibre for an adapted purpose. When it gets wet the fibres collapse, which is exactly what nature intended. When the fibres collapse they stick to your skin and increase the wind chill factor. Wet cotton clothing will make make you colder than wearing nothing at all. If you want evidence of this, go to a wet t shirt competition.
Cotton also absorbs water like a sponge. Great for towels but not for clothes. Cotton clothes becomes heavy and chafe. If you have walked any distance in a pair of wet jeans you will have had first hand experience of this. Not pleasant.
When cotton socks get wet they will make your feet cold and as added bonus chafe your skin and give you blisters (and sports manufacturers still promote cotton as the main ingredient in their socks). Wool or coolmax socks are a worthwhile investment.

Who was it who said there is no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothes?
Wool is unfortunately expensive but its a worthwhile investment. You can't beat woollen base layers and you can't beat woollen socks.
Switch geek mode off...
 

thom

____
Location
The Borough
Who was it who said there is no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothes?
Wool is unfortunately expensive but its a worthwhile investment. You can't beat woollen base layers and you can't beat woollen socks.
Switch geek mode off...

So do you stand in or out of socks made of cotton wool ?

:tongue:
 

redfalo

known as Olaf in real life
Location
Brexit Boomtown
I thought a dynohub would be a lighting panacea. The water resistance of a dynohub on a 20" wheel would, I think, have reduced me to the use of a white stick on Friday night. I'll make sure I'm carrying plan B to Burnham on Crouch.
Actually, a dynohub comes close to a lighting panacea. Schmidt's dynohuby are waterproof, and mine (on a 20" wheel) functioned meticulously on the Wetstable ride.
This is what Schmidt write on their website about water:

"Saturation may be an issue. Due to underpressure resulting from differing temperatures water may intrude even well-sealed parts of a bicycle. Sooner or later corrosion or freezing will cause damage in a hub dynamo. Until 2001 such damages caused by water were quite frequent. Then in 2002 we solved the problem: ever since a smart pressure compensation system is integrated in all SONs and retrofitted into all repairs. For this reason we give 5 years of warranty on all the different types of models."

A more realistic threat is that the frontlight may play up. This happened to me only a few weeks ago in really heavy rain. A well used Busch & Müller LED light (per-Cyo) just died. Hence, Wetstable was the inaugural ride for my brand new Cyo.
Hence, it's always good to have redundant system.
 

redfalo

known as Olaf in real life
Location
Brexit Boomtown
2082649 said:
For anyone who suffered electrical kit failure, I had my phone in one of these and it was dry and functioning when it came back out.
These do the job too. Protected my iPhone as well as my wallet. (However, my Visa card went missing on the weekend. I suspect that I left it in the card reader at Whitstable station. Bloody sleep deprivation.)

PS: Funnily enough, according to the small print, the Aqua Wallet is officially not recommended for forays to Wetstable: "We would not suggest storing valuable electrical equipment in the pouch for prolonged submersion i.e swimming & kayaking."
 
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User10571

Guest
Who was it who said there is no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothes?
My guess is that it may've been the late, great Barry Mason.
I definitely heard him say it.
 
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