Give way when turning left?

[gavgav]

[QUOTE 4592038, member: 45"]This isn't about traffic undertaking. It's about drivers giving way to cyclists before they cross into the lane which the cyclist is occupying.[/QUOTE]
Yes and my point still stands that I think it's dangerous. If a car is behind a cyclist then they should stay there and turn left behind the cyclist, not like the idiot postman who overtook me and then turned left across my path last weekend, but if the car is ahead of the cyclist and turning left then i believe the cyclist should wait until the car has turned left. Also, in the video there is no cycle lane? My opinion, not saying it's right or wrong.

 

[DaveReading]

but if the car is ahead of the cyclist and turning left then i believe the cyclist should wait until the car has turned left.

Depends entirely on how far ahead the car is.

If it can slow down and accomplish the turn without requiring the cyclist to take avoiding action, then fine. Otherwise, not.

You could summarise the whole concept as "Don't left hook", were it not for the fact that most drivers won't have a clue what that term means.

 

[keithmac]

Yes and my point still stands that I think it's dangerous. If a car is behind a cyclist then they should stay there and turn left behind the cyclist, not like the idiot postman who overtook me and then turned left across my path last weekend, but if the car is ahead of the cyclist and turning left then i believe the cyclist should wait until the car has turned left. Also, in the video there is no cycle lane? My opinion, not saying it's right or wrong.

I'm of exactly the same view, if I'm behind a car indicating to turn left why would I want to undertake it?.

Just doesn't make any sense..

 

[Dan B]

I'm of exactly the same view, if I'm behind a car indicating to turn left why would I want to undertake it?.

If I'm behind a car indicating to turn left and moving on a path that is going to make me collide with it unless I take some kind of avoiding action, why the hell is it indicating to turn left? Mirror Signal Manoeuvre, is what I was taught. You don't perform the manoeuvre - you dont indicate that you're going to perform the manoeuvre - if it's going to mean that someone else with priority has to change speed or direction.

 

[psmiffy]

if I'm behind a car indicating to turn left why would I want to undertake it?.

A very good question

If I'm behind a car indicating to turn left and moving on a path that is going to make me collide with it unless I take some kind of avoiding action, why the hell is it indicating to turn left? Mirror Signal Manoeuvre, is what I was taught.

I assume you were also taught what to do if the car in front indicating left was going slower than you

You don't perform the manoeuvre - you dont indicate that you're going to perform the manoeuvre - if it's going to mean that someone else with priority has to change speed or direction.

if you are behind what priority do you have?

 

[Dan B]

If I want to perform a manouevre that crosses someone else's lane, their normal forward progress has priority over my sideways move. Or are you suggesting that it should be OK to turn right from the middle lane without paying attention to anyone coming past in the outside lane?

 

[psmiffy]

I suppose the question is - is a cycle lane actually a separate lane or just a space in lane 1 reserved for cyclists - I aways ride as if im part of the Lane 1 traffic - the fact that i can pass traffic on the left is something i regard as an extra not a right

 

[nickyboy]

If I'm behind a car indicating to turn left and moving on a path that is going to make me collide with it unless I take some kind of avoiding action, why the hell is it indicating to turn left? Mirror Signal Manoeuvre, is what I was taught. You don't perform the manoeuvre - you dont indicate that you're going to perform the manoeuvre - if it's going to mean that someone else with priority has to change speed or direction.

But that doesn't apply if you're intending to turn right so why would it apply when you're intending to turn left? Or are you suggesting that if I'm intending to turn right and there is oncoming traffic I just sit there, stationary, without any indicator?

I'd be much happier if a car intending to turn left indicated as such. At least then I'm in with a chance of anticipating a manoeuvre.

 

[Dan B]

But that doesn't apply if you're intending to turn right so why would it apply when you're intending to turn left? Or are you suggesting that if I'm intending to turn right and there is oncoming traffic I just sit there, stationary, without any indicator?

I'd be much happier if a car intending to turn left indicated as such. At least then I'm in with a chance of anticipating a manoeuvre.

Fair point well made, but in that case why the disparity between right indicate = "I would like to turn here when there is a gap" and left indicate = "I am turning here, anyone following me can do one"

If you are approaching a car on the other side of the road which is indicating to turn right, do you stop and wait for it to turn? Maybe if you're feeling especially courteous or magnanimous (or if you're in slow-moving traffic) but if you drove everywhere giving way to everyone who wanted to cross your path you wouldn't get anywhere very fast

 

[nickyboy]

Fair point well made, but in that case why the disparity between right indicate = "I would like to turn here when there is a gap" and left indicate = "I am turning here, anyone following me can do one"

If you are approaching a car on the other side of the road which is indicating to turn right, do you stop and wait for it to turn? Maybe if you're feeling especially courteous or magnanimous (or if you're in slow-moving traffic) but if you drove everywhere giving way to everyone who wanted to cross your path you wouldn't get anywhere very fast

It's a tough one. Turning right it's obviously dead easy. I'm coming the other way and I have right of way and as such I don't expect the driver to turn. And he knows this too

Turning left is much trickier. Drivers don't expect cyclists to go up the inside on a normal road. I'd actually like the law to be clear that cycling up the inside of traffic where there is a left turn is not allowed.

The problem is when there is a cycleway on the inside of a normal roadway. In this circumstance I'd like the law to be clear that any car intending to cross the cycleway to turn left treats it as a normal "give way". That is, you indicate the intention to turn left but you have to wait until there is a clear gap in the traffic in the cycleway. Maybe the law does that now but I have no idea as I don't cycle in towns

 

[Origamist]

Does this really mean (which is certainly how it appears in the video) that a cyclist has the right to undertake a vehicle who is turning left in front of them?! Utter nonsense

You might be surprised but this is what happens in Germany and the indicating car waits until the flow of cyclists have passed on their inside. It takes some getting used to, but it works well IME.