Greed knows no bounds.

Discussion in 'CycleChat Cafe' started by postman, 9 Feb 2019.

  1. I don't think it's "Either or" though. Yes, tourists bring money, but they also bring costs and someone has to cover them. York has a population of about 200 000 people, and gets over six and a half million tourists a year. In order to invest in the transport infrastructure, sewers for hotels, policing and other things like cleaning the vast amounts of rubbish produced by 6.5 million people in a fairly small medieval city, the local government has to get money from somewhere.

    In our village we happen to have one of the two biggest printers in Europe. I'm not sure why. They pay business tax, which funds things like extra roads for their trucks, and the more specialised fire engines needed by the local fire department, and also for the more frequent callouts their highly sensitive fire detectors cause. This isn't greed: it's money for investment, and the company pays it because they know they get something in return.
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  2. gbb

    gbb Legendary Member

    I've paid room or entry fees a few times, can't say I'm bothered as long as I know in advance.
  3. pjd57

    pjd57 Über Member

    Edinburgh gets totally taken over by tourism in the summer.
    ( I'm a weegie, so I avoid the place )

    I know that the tourist industry brings in a lot of money but not a lot of it goes to the council who have to clean up the mess around the city centre that follows the crowds.

    A couple of euros a night is fairly standard in lots of other places.
  4. meta lon

    meta lon Guru

    I was talking about cost to room rate, i dont mind the tax.
    Nice london hotel at £400 a night + £2 to a Premier £35 deal +£2 .

    If we're really talking greed i think the trains have it.. For peak time robbery
  5. tom73

    tom73 Über Member

    As @Andy in Germany already has pointed out and place that get's masters of visitors has extra costs on top of cost just to keep things going for everyone else who call that place home. In the case of York the idea is being thought of I believe due to the increased cost of the now many stag and hen do's and the issues they bring. The other option is to impose an extra charge on the business rates to cover this but then which business ? and how you work it out? Business rates are already a right dogs dinner. One example staying in York is a shop down the shambles per sq ft pays more than the massive M&S round the conner. LA have little say in business rates and how to apply them the whole thing needs a massive re think. The other way is increase council tax along with the precept. Cost of providing services as LA are massive the costs that once passed over my desk are eye watering yes visitors bring jobs etc but they also bring extra costs that unless you find a fair way to pay for them will have to be covered by all inc the ones with very little extra money to spare as it is.

    If the change is clear and up front and not silly about. It is clear how it's used and not used to plug holes or pay for some council leaders grand plan then I'm ok with it. But let's also reform the law and make police forcers able to charge the real true cost of policing football matchers who also bring extra cost and stain on services week in and week out. One example with a high number of clubs is South Yorkshire not too long ago spent 1.3 million just on football. With only about a 3rd being claimed back under the current rules.
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  6. derrick

    derrick The Glue that binds us together.

    Simple dont go.:wacko:
  7. NorthernDave

    NorthernDave Never used Über Member

    There have been similar rules in a lot of French towns and cities for a while.

    Which might explain why in a lot of places there are often several chain hotels just outside the town boundary.
  8. Yellow Saddle

    Yellow Saddle Veteran

    Loch side.
  9. Globalti

    Globalti Legendary Member

    It's a great idea, I'm going to start charging @SamR when he brings all his washing home from Uni.
  10. pjd57

    pjd57 Über Member


    On the football , a lot of people going to matches live and work in the area and pay tax, rates etc.

    Over policing is an issue . Most games I go to there's dozens of them standing in and around the ground with nothing to do.

    Should we charge other organisations for police time, party conferences, royal visits etc
  11. If clubs can afford to pay players millions, surely they can afford to pay for police cover for their fans.

    If there aren't enough and something goes wrong there will enquiries and sackings so I imagine they are a bit over cautious.

    I remember when the Euro cup was in Germany: we had British police in Stuttgart because they couldn't trust the fans to behave otherwise. I often wondered who paid for that.

    I don't know about party conferences, but I think the Royals ought to cover security costs when they graciously allow commoners to see them getting married et c.

    Here if something is officially a protest the police cover it for free (because it is a constitutional right to organise protests) but if it is officially a commercial event, then it has to be paid for.
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  12. vickster

    vickster Legendary Member

    There's no history of delegates at party conferences or flag wavers at royal visits beating the crap out of each other, or stabbing or bottling each other...there clearly is in and around football grounds, indeed very recently. If ALL 'football fans' or those who claim to be fans could behave impeccably or be trusted to do so, then maybe such a heavy police presence would not be required to deal with the minority of idiot Neanderthals
  13. Reiver

    Reiver Ribbit, Ribbit.

    and so do the hotels in Edinburgh, in fact they already pay an enormous amout of tax, this new levy is a new made up tax added on top of the vast amounts of taxes they already pay.

    for instance that big hotel next to the station, you know the one with the clock thats a bit fast. - 168 rooms, RV=£2,335,000 so at 50p in the pound and 75% occupancy thats a massive £25.40 per room per night that the council gets to waste on god knows what. Tourists are already paying an arm and a leg to visit the capital.

    I think it would have been fairer just to increase rates than a blanket across the board tariff that will disproportionately affect lower income people looking for cheaper rooms. Yet again its a tax that favours the wealthy.
  14. Dave7

    Dave7 Guru

    Interesting to read the various views, most of them valid.
    I have mixed feeling.
    In Spain and (I think) Portugal they 'charge' the visitor according to the rating of the hotel. As we tend to enjoy 4* hotels we pay near maximum.
    My first thought was WHY?? Surely, more visitors =more money into the local economy.
    Then I thought......
    But its the local shops, bars and restaurants etc that benefit while the tax from those profits goes to the government.
    So yes, the local council need to recoup somehow.
    As I understand it, its only hotel patrons that pay this 'charge' in which case we are paying/subsidising all those people that stay in tents or caravans etc.
    I still dont "want" to pay it but hope that it goes to good use.
  15. pjd57

    pjd57 Über Member

    I've been going to games in Glasgow for over 50 years and have yet to see a stabbing or bottling.
    There is very rarely as much as a handbag swung in anger these days but we still have ridiculous numbers of police.

    Party conferences have huge numbers of police in attendance, why should they be subsidised by the rest of us
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