Helemt or not??

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4F

Active member of Helmets Are Sh*t Lobby
Location
Suffolk.
The choice really is yours and if you feel safer by wearing one then wear one.

Personally I feel that the level of protection they provide is minimal and am prepared to take my chances.
 

domtyler

Über Member
FatFellaFromFelixstowe said:
The choice really is yours and if you feel safer by wearing one then wear one.

Personally I feel that the level of protection they provide is minimal and am prepared to take my chances.

That is the epitome of bad advice 4F. I'll explain why. Anything that makes you feel safer while not doing anything to actually increase your safety will actually make you far less safe due to the risk compensation involved.
 

domtyler

Über Member
BentMikey said:
Of course not, but it's about the most neutral out there. FFS, some of the authors behind the site are ardent helmet wearers. Unfortunately many pro-helmeteer religionistas don't like anyone to discuss the evidence against helmets, and thus call the site biased.

Mikey, this time you are this ========> WRONG.


I haven't worn a helmet for years and I can still see a biased web site when I see one. Whether other sites are more or less biased than this one is is not relevant to my statement.
 

4F

Active member of Helmets Are Sh*t Lobby
Location
Suffolk.
domtyler said:
That is the epitome of bad advice 4F. I'll explain why. Anything that makes you feel safer while not doing anything to actually increase your safety will actually make you far less safe due to the risk compensation involved.

I disagree. The advantages of cycling far outweigh not cycling in the health stakes and therefore if the OP is more likely to ride a bike whilst wearing a helmet than not, then they should wear a helmet.
 

dondare

Über Member
Location
London
"Distrust any enterprise that requires new clothes" - Henry Thoreau.

If cyclists dress like downhill skiers it sets them apart from the crowd, and the crowd then distrust cyclists and bikes. Wearing a helmet and lycra turns you into an object of ridicule and scorn, even if you look damn' good in them. Even if you wear everyday clothes and don the helmet when you're on the bike, it still makes you look different enough. Actually I'm not too bothered by what people think of me personally, but I am concerned by anything that makes cyclists look like fringe people, because it enhances prejudices and discourages people from cycling, and we all benefit if cycling is seen as an everyday activity that normal people can do rather than a peculiar eccentricity. One of the biggest problems with helmet wearing is that it reinforces the myth that cycling is dangerous, and that myth can do us a lot of harm. Cyclists who are involved in accidents are often blamed because they "knew the risks". Cyclists who don't wear helmets are accused of putting an unacceptable burden on the NHS and making the poor innocent motorists who kill them feel bad, the selfish bastards!
In reality normal cycle commuting and touring are as safe as walking. Cycle sports and some forms of recreation have higher risks associated with them so a helmet might be advisable, or even compulsory for participants.
 
Most people focus on the post-accident effects of a helmet. One of the most interesting studies of recent years is the 2006 Bath study that shows that motorists pass closer when the cyclist is wearing a helmet. In other words, helmets can make collisions more likely.
 

domtyler

Über Member
FatFellaFromFelixstowe said:
I disagree. The advantages of cycling far outweigh not cycling in the health stakes and therefore if the OP is more likely to ride a bike whilst wearing a helmet than not, then they should wear a helmet.

I must admit you have a very good point there, and we all know that the more cyclists there are on the roads the safer they will be for all of us! :biggrin:
 

domtyler

Über Member
Catrike UK said:
I hear that in Scotland, woks are becoming popular as an alternative to cycle helmets.

Woks or chip pans? :biggrin:
 

domtyler

Über Member
User1314 said:
I'd love to go helmetless, with just a cap.

I'm fed up with a sweaty head, even with a bandana underneath.

But I've worn one for so long it's like a crutch.

Important fact for me is that they are useless (so I've been told) in any collision over 12 mph or where the forehead is not involved.

If this can be verified, I may stop wearing one.

As at 12 mph I'm so slow - well, not much faster then running, really.

It is an easy habit to break, just forget it a few times and you'll be one of us! :biggrin::evil:
 

dondare

Über Member
Location
London
In spite of my opinion that helmets are unnecessary because serious accidents are not more common among cyclists than any other group, I do sometimes wear one if I am travelling on a stretch of road which is so poorly desgned that it increases the risk of an accident. It isn't that I believe the helmet will do the slightest bit of good if I'm hit from behind by a speeding car, it's that I don't want the driver to be able claim contributary negligence. I'd sooner see all reference to cycle helmets removed from the Highway Code.
 

Cab

New Member
Location
Cambridge
dondare said:
In spite of my opinion that helmets are unnecessary because serious accidents are not more common among cyclists than any other group, I do sometimes wear one if I am travelling on a stretch of road which is so poorly desgned that it increases the risk of an accident. It isn't that I believe the helmet will do the slightest bit of good if I'm hit from behind by a speeding car, it's that I don't want the driver to be able claim contributary negligence. I'd sooner see all reference to cycle helmets removed from the Highway Code.

(hilighted bit that I think is sadly very true)

Its simply spurious to claim that there is a clear advantage in wearing a helmet. Leaving aside, for the moment, the argument that making people wear helmets discourages people from cycling (as its irrelevent to my individual decision) the biggest problem we face is that if you end up as witness in court to an accident in which you've been hit, and you weren't wearing a helmet, the prosecutor will use that against you. And many a judge will believe that this is evidence of being irresponsible. And yes, its barking mad, but thats how it is.

If it is appropriate for cyclists to wear helmets to ride, say, three miles, then pedestrians (who suffer a similar rate of head injury per unit distance travelled) should also wear helmets for walking, say, three miles. No one believes that they should; the problem is that there is such a widely held, popular misconception that cycle helmets are obviously good.

The solution? Well, the only one I can think of is to encourage more people to cycle. This misconception only works because most people aren't cyclists.
 
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