Helmet discussions: has anyone ever been persuaded otherwise?

[jonesy]

First you wrote:

There is a certain element of danger in any sport. I think if you was to ask the genral public as to why you would wear a helmet their reply would be ''to protect your head should you come off'' rather then cycling being inherently ''dangerous''

Presumably you believed the word 'sport' to be significant here, or you wouldn't have written it?

Don't try and twist what I post.

I have merely quoted you. Your words.

You say here that you cannot associate risk in the ''sport'' of cycling with the ''non-sporting'' uses of cycling, no?

I say that you can regardless of whether you see cycling as a sport or otherwise.

Do please tell me the difference in risk of a cyclist coming off in a race to the same cyclist coming off when commuting to work.

Well, for a start, people usually go faster in a 'race'. There's a clue in the word...

 

[jonesy]

Thanks.. tell us what you do before before you turn in so we mock you please?

Sadly, these days it is mostly management stuff...

Good night- don't forget the mission I've set you!

 

[Joe24]

"Outdoor recreation is the use of the natural environment(mountains, forests, rivers, hills, coastline, and so on) for the enjoyment during leisure time"

So alot of cycling can be seen as Outdoor Recreation, also Physical recreation, can it not?

Pysical recreation is:
Taking part rather then winning
Having a good experience rather then strictly sticking to National Governing Bodies
Personal Satisfaction rather then record breaking
Enjoyment rather then competition.

What makes a sport a sport?
Tradition
Physical Exertion
Competition
Rules
Behaviour
- the same activity can be pursued as physical rec or as a sport.

So to conclude on this, cycling can be done as Physical Recreation, Outdoor recreation, and is a sport, and can be done as a sport.
Traveling to work can be seen as many differenty things, depending on different things.
If you want to say im wrong, then feel free, you will be telling me that i have been taught wrong, text books are wrong and my PE revision book is wrong.

Oh and thats taken from the book, "Advanced PE For OCR AS"

 

[Abitrary]

Sadly, these days it is mostly management stuff...

Good night- don't forget the mission I've set you!

Nighty night. I'll sort out those wayward losers for you, have no fear.

 

[Joe24]

Damn, i spent too long reading and copying out my revision book to check i was right and hes gone.
Bugger.
But anyway, going by that the risk of falling off is pretty much the same through out it all really. Theres no saying what speeds or anything you are going with each bit, so you could be doing cycling as outdoor recreation, and still have the same chance of falling off as if your doing cycling as a sport. Basicly.

Oh, and a top cyclist could go out for a ride and be classed as doing it intrinscly and for outdoor recreation, as i understand it. If hes just going out for a slow pootle with his family one sunny afternoon and not being paid for doing this riding.

 

[Abitrary]

I can't believe you two didn't suss mjonesy right out. I've lost a bit of respect for you both.

 

[Joe24]

se rolling is a sport, they dont wear any/much protection.
The risk is high, its obvious and people go out with no protection on.
The percieved risk is high, as is the actual risk.
I dont really think it matters what the risk is, if someone wants to put protection on, they will put it on, if not then they wont do. It doesnt matter if the actual/percived risk is high or not.
In canoeing, performers will wear a helmet to go on white water, and also when on a river sometimes. The percived risk is low-moderate, the actual risk is low on a river, but they will still wear a helmet, just incase they get hit by a paddle or something.
Same with bouyancy aids and other safety equipment, drowning is a perceived risk, but the actual risk is pretty low if you know what your doing.

 

[Joe24]

I can't believe you two didn't suss mjonesy right out. I've lost a bit of respect for you both.

I already knew he was a boring bloke who spends his day finding out random stuff about nothing and claims he is an expert in it.

That has, however, helped me with my revision for that section of PE. So thanks

Oh, and i will admit this one time, that Lee is right. The percived risk for falling off when cycling is there, and the damage that can be done when falling off and hitting your head can be bad. The actual risk isnt so high.
This could be a factor(how the actual risk is low) as to why some people chose not to wear a helmet.
No matter what speed your going, a knock to the head is a knock to the head. If you just tripped up and one of the first things to slam on the floor is your head, it is going to hurt. At any speed faster then working, the force on the head will be greater.
Which means that in reality, you can do some damage to your head if you hit it at a low speed, but it probably wont be as bad as if your doing a high speed.

This probably doesnt make sence though, and you will just toss it to the side and tell me to be quiet.

 

[Abitrary]

I already knew he was a boring bloke who spends his day finding out random stuff about nothing and claims he is an expert in it.

That has, however, helped me with my revision for that section of PE. So thanks

I'm actually starting to think that mjonesy might be someone quite high up and powerful in public life. He knows a lot about the common agricultural policy and the stuff he was banging on about tonight. I think he's an MEP.

 

[Joe24]

I'm actually starting to think that mjonesy might be someone quite high up and powerful in public life. He knows a lot about the common agricultural policy and the stuff he was banging on about tonight. I think he's an MEP.

I also know about the CAP. Done it in geography. Its one of the main case studies you do in geography.
I can tell you abit about that(what i remember, still need to revise that) but i have a text book behind me with all the information in.

I think hes just done geography, or something with geography in it.
Which is mainly, boring. Geography can be boring, well it is pretty boring.

 

[Abitrary]

I also know about the CAP. Done it in geography. Its one of the main case studies you do in geography.
I can tell you abit about that(what i remember, still need to revise that) but i have a text book behind me with all the information in.

I think hes just done geography, or something with geography in it.
Which is mainly, boring. Geography can be boring, well it is pretty boring.

the minute you resort to personal attacks means you've lost your argument joe. I'd say that mjonesy knows the most about what he knows on this forum only after flying monkey and bonj. Plus he's a member of the european parliment.

 

[Joe24]

the minute you resort to personal attacks means you've lost your argument joe. I'd say that mjonesy knows the most about what he knows on this forum only after flying monkey and bonj. Plus he's a member of the european parliment.

As long as you dont tell anyone Abs, i can tell you what organisation im in. Its a very secret one. Our meeting room is under ground, and there is many people there. Elvis Presley is in the organisation aswell.

 

[betty swollocks]

To for those who have contributed with regard to my original post: thank you.
To those of you who appear to have hijacked the thread (you know who you are): kindly go away and learn some manners.

 

[Abitrary]

As long as you dont tell anyone Abs, i can tell you what organisation im in. Its a very secret one. Our meeting room is under ground, and there is many people there. Elvis Presley is in the organisation aswell.

like i said, don't mock. mjonesy is a bit of a hard git as well. A couple of months back he posted a picture of himself nekid and greased up and in a boxing match with an agressive kangaroo. I laughed and he took it straight down, but I got a taste of his mettle.

 

[Joe24]

To for those who have contributed with regard to my original post: thank you.
To those of you who appear to have hijacked the thread (you know who you are): kindly go away and learn some manners.

You said you didnt want an ordinary helmet debate.
The is talk about cycling and what it can be classed as, if the risk of wearing a helmet in the different in the different classifications, and what mjonesy does. Which i think is pretty important, dont you?