Help with British passport

[SD1]

My niece is having a problem getting her first passport...(early 20's)

problem 1...she changed her surname by deed poll about 6-8 years ago to the name she used since she was about 4 years old, from a name she believed to be her birth name,
problem 2 her birth name is an English surname but she never knew of this until see needed her birth cert aged 16, she is of Asian appearance her mother lied about who the father was when registering her birth, nobodys even sure who the birth father is or who the name on the cert is.
problem 3.. her mother is dead..and Irish

now the passport agency want her mothers birth cert, but other than knowing she is Irish and her first name, shes not even sure if her mothers surname is her actual name....so applying for the cert is proving difficult.

the only thing that is true or that we are sure of is that my niece was born in Peterborough...

the passport agency are adamant that without the mothers birth cert, they can not precess the application....although at the moment this is only the frontline staff at the Peterborough passport agency..

any suggestions would be welcome....

Can she get an Irish passport? There very easy to get. My brother never managed to get a British passport despite being brought up and worked in UK. Got an Irish one because mother Irish. Can get an Irish one if your Grannie's left tit is Irish!!!

 

[SD1]

e bombs and cleared minefields in WWIII,

Who is going to start it this time? Bet it's the Germans!

 

[Moon bunny]

I got my next door neighbour to sign mine.

 

[jefmcg]

She should just apply for citizen ship. Her entry into the country is well documented (via her mother's birth canal) and she has been here for more than 5 years. but Urk, I've just checked, that costs £1005, plus you have swear allegiance to the queen, and all her inbred descendants.

I would consult an immigration lawyer.

Just as a point, these mix ups are not uncommon. My mother, who was well documented and a lawyer, had 3 different names and 2 different dates of birth, without her ever making a change. Not on your scale, but names on documents not matching names on other documents not matching names actually used is probably more common that not.

 

[jefmcg]

I got my next door neighbour to sign mine.

UK is very generous on who can sign a passport application. Most countries require someone from a who works in a registered profession, like doctors, lawyers or teachers.

They are not generous on who gets citizenship, though. I came to the UK on an ancestry visa, which I like to call the "probably white" visa. At around the same time, residents of HK who had been British lost all rights if they hadn't filed their paperwork on time.

 

[Tin Pot]

although not really that important but my brother met her mother when she was about 3 or 4 and after her mother died, my brother was gone by then, my mother and father took her and her brother in and raised them, her brother is their grandson and have always classed her as a granddaughter and we class her as a niece, she is family...

You can see why the passport office would take the stance they have though, right?

No name, no parents, no paperwork, no blood relatives.

I would suggest her school record, letters from the community would support her application.

 

[raleighnut]

@User - could she get an Irish passport instead? My kids have that one rather than a British passport. An interview together with her school certificates / evidence may help to prove she's been here since being very young.



@Drago's real name is Bernard! I thought'd be something .... erm ... manlier given he's about 3 trees tall, powerlifts and drives a giant pick-up/4x4.

I will always think of him as 'Nursey' from Blackadder from now on.

 

[w00hoo_kent]

Just as a point, these mix ups are not uncommon. My mother, who was well documented and a lawyer, had 3 different names and 2 different dates of birth, without her ever making a change. Not on your scale, but names on documents not matching names on other documents not matching names actually used is probably more common that not.

I know as far as weddings go they take the line of documentation very seriously and, from the way my wife talks about it, it's an important part of making sure that you can track a persons identity as accurately as possible. I don't know if other bits of the civil service are as diligent.

I know part of what my wife likes about her job is the knowledge that long after everyone in the room has died the entry she's written in the book will still be there for reference.

Not much help in this case unless the mum in the OP was married in England at some point. I think all of this has got tougher recently with the various anti-immigration actions.

 

[Tin Pot]

she does kind of understand, but no matter how much she tries to get on with her life, her mothers past keeps getting in the way, and in her early 20's, she doesn't always deal with her mothers past well....

This is the life we have. ..

Good luck.

 

[jefmcg]

She should definitely see an immigration lawyer.
https://www.gov.uk/register-british-citizen/born-in-uk-after-1983
If she could prove her mother was legally in the UK when she was born, she'd be done. A Irish birth certificate would show that.

But if she can't then ...

You lived in the UK until you were 10
You can register to become a British citizen if you were born in the UK on or after 1 January 1983 and neither of your parents was a British citizen or settled at that time.
You must:

• be 10 years old, or older
• and have lived in the UK until you were 10, or older

You must also normally have spent no more than 90 days outside the UK in each of the first 10 years of your life.

If you spent more time than this outside the UK but there are special reasons for this, you’ll need to explain them on the form.

And if that doesn't work, then
https://www.gov.uk/register-british-citizen/stateless-people

If she's not British, she's stateless.

It's worth spending an hour with a lawyer. I bet that's all it would take. And there are probably people working for charities that could help too.

Once she's proved her citizenship, the passport will be trivial.

 

[summerdays]

She should just apply for citizen ship. Her entry into the country is well documented (via her mother's birth canal) and she has been here for more than 5 years. but Urk, I've just checked, that costs £1005, plus you have swear allegiance to the queen, and all her inbred descendants.

I would consult an immigration lawyer.

Just as a point, these mix ups are not uncommon. My mother, who was well documented and a lawyer, had 3 different names and 2 different dates of birth, without her ever making a change. Not on your scale, but names on documents not matching names on other documents not matching names actually used is probably more common that not.

My Mum has two DOB's ... official one for pension comes from one source ... the incorrect DOB registered somewhere, and the correct one that other sources have used, 3 days apart. Sometimes she gets funny looks when she gives an alternative DOB when they can't find her using the first one she quotes. Normally she gives her real one, it just depends if they needed supporting documentation, and which date is on that documentation that they require.

 

[Tin Pot]

My Mum has two DOB's ... official one for pension comes from one source ... the incorrect DOB registered somewhere, and the correct one that other sources have used, 3 days apart. Sometimes she gets funny looks when she gives an alternative DOB when they can't find her using the first one she quotes. Normally she gives her real one, it just depends if they needed supporting documentation, and which date is on that documentation that they require.

My mum has two names. She doesn't see any reason why she shouldn't be called whatever she wants.

It makes official questions a bit tricky.
"Yes, I'm her son"
"And you're here to see?"
<pause>
"Well, it could be...or..."

 

[summerdays]

My mum has two names. She doesn't see any reason why she shouldn't be called whatever she wants.

It makes official questions a bit tricky.
"Yes, I'm her son"
"And you're here to see?"
<pause>
"Well, it could be...or..."

Well as kids we found it strange that my parents had 3 christian names and both went by the third name..... so yes they have that problem as well! They obviously decided that they preferred the normal way when it came to naming their kids!

 

[Andy_R]

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I heard he eats his greens and is a goat lover

 

[User169]

, plus you have swear allegiance to the queen, and all her inbred descendants.
.

An ex-colleague went through the process, but had never encountered the word "heirs", so ended up swearing allegiance to her maj and her "hairs".