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All very interesting.

The question you haven't yet answered is this:

What would be the logistics of of transferring goods from the large vehicles to the small ones, and what would be the total cost of doing that transfer per 26 tonnes?

Are you including the costs of the horrific injuries and deaths the current situation causes?


Your continued sarcasm, straw man efforts and spamming the thread with repeat posts while ignoring fairly substantive replies have earned you a place on the ignore list.
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
Are you including the costs of the horrific injuries and deaths the current situation causes?


Your continued sarcasm, straw man efforts and spamming the thread with repeat posts while ignoring fairly substantive replies have earned you a place on the ignore list.

"straw man" again - you really should look it up you know.
 
But it may deliver that 3-4 hundredweight to several shops on that street, and several on the next, and ...

Goods are typically delivered on pallets,

Not actually the case for most local shops and stores, the majority of the deliveries are well below pallet size..... and unlesss every shop on the street sells the same item, it is highly unlikely that an articulated lorry would deliver to more than one shop on that street.... in fact it would be very uncommon for an artic to deliver to more than one shop in a town.



so either you need vehicles that can carry at least one pallet (which rules out any of the very small ones) or you need to account for the cost of breaking down the pallets into smaller units, which is time-consuming.

Costs that are incurred already in order to make the deliveries. For instance, we have an articulated lorry delivers bread to the local Co-operative they do not receive a large pallet of bread, they receive half a dozen baskets, to make that delivery the cost of breaking down a large consignment is incurred by both models, so it is a red herring to try and make it unique to smaller vehicles.....in fact may be additional as you would have to put the stuff on a pallet to use the articulated vehicle model in the first place, so the use of pallets is an additional cost.

I'm not against it in principle, but I'm unconvinced that all the smaller vehicles needed would be safer than one big one, and I think the costs would add up to a substantial amount - which would, of course, be passed on to customers.

Not at all, it is simply a model that uses appropriate vehicles for the requirements, and the costs may even be cheaper if you take the time, inconvenience and damage to the local environment into account
 

Dan B

Disengaged member
This is one of the main problems of living in a capitalist society... when a solution to a problem won't earn enough profit for the operators of the service... and that's seen as a good reason for a proposed solution to be dismissed. Imagine money was no object... would you warm to the idea?
Or if you're wedded to the free market, add in the cost of the lives lost which are currently met by the State (a.k.a taxpayer) and their families
 

CopperBrompton

Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
Location
London
Your continued sarcasm, straw man efforts
As someone else observed, you clearly don't know what a straw man argument is, and there is no sarcasm: I am simply asking you to provide some evidence that your absurdly impractical idea has any hope of working.
 

CopperBrompton

Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
Location
London
I don't believe the death-rate would be any lower if we swapped a (relatively) small number of large goods vehicles for a very much larger number of smaller ones, so the question is moot.
 

CopperBrompton

Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
Location
London
If my recollection is correct, the majority of deaths from truck-cyclist collisions have been tippers and skip lorries, not goods-carrying vehicles.
 

CopperBrompton

Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
Location
London
Is that the bar that should stop people ending up under the wheels? Those should absolutely be legal requirements.

Skip and tipper truck drivers are also often paid by the journey, I think, which encourages reckless driving. Personally, I'd outlaw that practice. All drivers should be paid by the hour.
 
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