hi-viz gone mad....

[buddha]

Red is a nice colour. So is pink. So is purple. So is green. All occur in nature. All are in harmony with a country lane. All come in bright shades.

Fluorescent fabrics in the countryside....

But each to their own.

(and all the lights and reflectives and flourescence on earth won't stop you getting rear-ended, or collecting a door mirror with your elbow, if the driver isn't looking and is driving at an appropriate speed for the conditions)

There be the problem though, especially on country lanes. To stereotype, the older folk tend to be fine. It's the boy/mid-life-crisis racers in Audi's that are more of a problem with inappropriate speed.
You'll probably agree that a fluro/bright jersey is easier to notice from far, against a green hedgerow than a dark/dull jersey. It's something out of the ordinary in the countryside, so easier to differentiate. And, being at a distance, they may just have enough time to think "eh, could be a horse/cyclist/nutter etc" and become aware and slow down.
That said, I normally wear red - and mostly faded at that!

 

[Miquel In De Rain]

[QUOTE 1842512, member: 9609"]HiViz Fields LINK

A really stupid one I seen this morning; When schools near where I live take the little ones out they make them all wear hiViz bibs, looks a bit silly but highly effective. This morning in the heavy rain 'just when hi viz would come into its own' most of them were wearing their coats on top of the high viz vests.[/quote]


I'd be invisible in that lot.

 

[ianrauk]

[QUOTE 1842512, member: 9609"]HiViz Fields LINK

A really stupid one I seen this morning; When schools near where I live take the little ones out they make them all wear hiViz bibs, looks a bit silly but highly effective. This morning in the heavy rain 'just when hi viz would come into its own' most of them were wearing their coats on top of the high viz vests.[/quote]


Funny thing you mention this.
Only this morning whilst commuting to work I saw a 'school walking train' of about a dozen pupils aged about 8 to 10 and 3 adult. All wearing Hi Viz waistcoats. In London, on a bright morning too. I did despair at it. There really is no need for it whilst walking in London during the day.

 

[Miquel In De Rain]

Funny thing you mention this.
Only this morning whilst commuting to work I saw a 'school walking train' of about a dozen pupils aged about 8 to 10 and 3 adult. All wearing Hi Viz waistcoats. In London, on a bright morning too. I did despair at it. There really is no need for it whilst walking in London during the day.

Is that more to do with keeping track of the kids though,to stop them wandering off?

 

[ianrauk]

Is that more to do with keeping track of the kids though,to stop them wandering off?

Nope.
They were in 2by2's holding hands.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

There be the problem though, especially on country lanes. To stereotype, the older folk tend to be fine. It's the boy/mid-life-crisis racers in Audi's that are more of a problem with inappropriate speed.
You'll probably agree that a fluro/bright jersey is easier to notice from far, against a green hedgerow than a dark/dull jersey. It's something out of the ordinary in the countryside, so easier to differentiate. And, being at a distance, they may just have enough time to think "eh, could be a horse/cyclist/nutter etc" and become aware and slow down.
That said, I normally wear red - and mostly faded at that!

There are whole stretches of my ride home where there is no sight line allowing me to be seen from afar, and in two or three locations on sharp uphill bends, or in dips, or over crests, I'm out of sight from as little as 50m back. Now take a car driving at 60mph "but that's the speed limit" and hitting those corners, cresting those crests.... Hence since 2008 I've been rear ended once (in hi-viz back then with three rear lights) and heard the cringe inducing sharp squeal of brakes from behind on countless occasions..... on one bend the potholes/busted up surface mean I can't even gutter creep round it. Folk drive simply not expecting to encounter something much slower than them "in the way" on "their" side of the road. (and when it has been a tractor and trailer trundling along on that road it has resulted in at least one fatality.)

Which I'm afraid means I continue to be the man in black.

 

[Miquel In De Rain]

Nope.
They were in 2by2's holding hands.

Were they glued together then?

 

[Miquel In De Rain]

[QUOTE 1842620, member: 9609"]All very true, hi viz is not going to be 100% effective on every part of every road in every lighting condition, but then again there are plenty of riding scenarios where wearing hiViz will get you spotted that little bit sooner - overall it has to be a good thing!
[/quote]

I know.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

[QUOTE 1842620, member: 9609"]All very true, hi viz is not going to be 100% effective on every part of every road in every lighting condition, but then again there are plenty of riding scenarios where wearing hiViz will get you spotted that little bit sooner - overall it has to be a good thing![/quote]
My take on this....

All very true, hi viz is not going to be 100% effective on every part of every road in every lighting condition, but then again there are plenty of some riding scenarios where wearing hiViz will may get you spotted that little bit sooner if the driver is looking and where being spotted sooner may make a difference to the drivers behaviour - overall it has to may be a good thing!.

 

[Blurb]

My take on your take....

All very true, hi viz is not going to be 100% effective on every part of every road in every lighting condition, but then again there are some riding scenarios where wearing hiViz may get you spotted that little bit sooner if the driver is looking and where being spotted sooner may make a difference to the drivers behaviour - overall it may be a good thing, so for those situations where my well-being is at stake, I choose to try and stack the odds in my favour and wear it rather than not.

 

[gambatte]

3M diamond grade tape.
I have a strip running full length of each of the seat stays. Whether car drivers notice or not I've not had any feedback. However the first time I took it out after fitting it one of the regulars commented on how far away he'd been when he first saw it (... maybe he was letting me know he'd SCRed me?)

 

[gaz]

Get a high powered rear light and hi-viz and reflectors become useless from behind. They always see the sunlight coming from you rear

 

[GrumpyGregry]

My take on your take....

All very true, hi viz is not going to be 100% effective on every part of every road in every lighting condition, but then again there are some riding scenarios where wearing hiViz may get you spotted that little bit sooner if the driver is looking and where being spotted sooner may make a difference to the drivers behaviour - overall it may be a good thing, so for those situations where my well-being is at stake, I choose to try and stack the odds in my favour and wear it rather than not.

if the driver isn't looking the odds are unaffected. the driver that is looking won't hit you.

 

[400bhp]

if the driver isn't looking the odds are unaffected. the driver that is looking won't hit you.

It's not binary though is it.

 

[Recycler]

It's not binary though is it.

+1 Precisely!
All Hi Viz will do is possibly help when a driver is looking, but is not seeing. If it helps to make me seen then it is worth having.
I get the impression that some people are in denial, which is fine but I do find it difficult to understand.