Oh dear we seem to be going round in circles now.
To quote Andy, "Zzzzzzzzzzz" , I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Hilldodger on't telly this am
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Oh dear we seem to be going round in circles now.
To quote Andy, "Zzzzzzzzzzz" , I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Sorry to be back again but the penny may have just dropped in my grey matter, are you saying that the bike shown is being licensed in some sort of way to Cyclemagic?
This would fit with your Analogy, and if so I owe apologies all round to you Classic and Hilldodger.
Can you confirm this, as if its true I have made an arse of myself, and if the Bikebiz people knew this they should be apologising as well for their edit.
classic33
Leg End Member
1. Can't answer that part, I can only go on what was seen on the piece on the telly.
2. Your choice of wording.
My analogy stems from personal experience, in which research was done prior to the event, buying the "odd" pedal cycle from the person whose name went along with the type of cycle.
And second, a local frame builder allowing a cycle shop owner to put the shop name as oppossed to his(the builders) name on the frame, in order to achieve the sale.
If you feel like apologizing, don't do so to me.
Arch
Married to Night Train
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The thing is, it's not about the penny Roger was riding really. He's been riding that machine for years. I don't happen to know who built it. He certainly never said he did in the story. The story was about the fact that Cyclemagic are going to be 'mass' producing pennies (albeit in small batches). I don't think any builder has built them to this scale recently.
The report on the telly didn't, as far as I recall, say they were the only people making them - indeed, Roger mentioned in the section I saw, that other people do make them, but often use modern parts that mean they aren't good enough replicas for some people's needs (He mentioned a museum for example, whose originals are too valuable to ride, but who want a demo bike).
Every day, I suspect, some media outlet reports on something as if it's new and exclusive, when it isn't, generally because the previous people involved didn't have the will, need or luck, to get coverage. Any media outlet has to decide if they are going to spend a lot of time and column inches researching and listing all the alternatives to the main feature, and mostly, they won't.
Roger's put a lot of time, over years, into building up good media contacts, in order to promote the charity. Joff has had the odd bit of coverage of his round the world jaunts, but he's a different sort of operator. If he wanted to promote his business, its up to him to do it. And I'm fairly sure there are other people making pennies too, in their own small way.
The report on the telly didn't, as far as I recall, say they were the only people making them - indeed, Roger mentioned in the section I saw, that other people do make them, but often use modern parts that mean they aren't good enough replicas for some people's needs (He mentioned a museum for example, whose originals are too valuable to ride, but who want a demo bike).
Every day, I suspect, some media outlet reports on something as if it's new and exclusive, when it isn't, generally because the previous people involved didn't have the will, need or luck, to get coverage. Any media outlet has to decide if they are going to spend a lot of time and column inches researching and listing all the alternatives to the main feature, and mostly, they won't.
Roger's put a lot of time, over years, into building up good media contacts, in order to promote the charity. Joff has had the odd bit of coverage of his round the world jaunts, but he's a different sort of operator. If he wanted to promote his business, its up to him to do it. And I'm fairly sure there are other people making pennies too, in their own small way.
Hilldodger
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I'm really sorry that this is still going on. 
The recorded piece you are refering to was only a third of the whole package shown by BBC Breakfast. In the live piece it was made quite clear that we haven't even begun making our bikes yet and also, unlike some other bikes available, ours will be more authentic.
Yes, Joff makes Pennies and he built the one I happened to be riding but his bikes, however good they may be, have deep section alloy rims, modern headset bearings, caliper brakes and Bowden cables. None of which were invented in the 1880's.
As an aside, since that piece was broadcast two companies that began by making bicycle components in the 1890's have come forward to help produce the bikes.
And just to clarify something else, the local media ran a piece several weeks ago about how we were looking for local people to help us produce these machines. After a casual conversation with a friend (who happens to be a BBC presenter) a couple of weeks later I was approached by regional TV about a short news story. This was all arranged but then BBC Breakfast heard about it and took the story on. At no point did I approach the BBC about this.
The recorded piece you are refering to was only a third of the whole package shown by BBC Breakfast. In the live piece it was made quite clear that we haven't even begun making our bikes yet and also, unlike some other bikes available, ours will be more authentic.
Yes, Joff makes Pennies and he built the one I happened to be riding but his bikes, however good they may be, have deep section alloy rims, modern headset bearings, caliper brakes and Bowden cables. None of which were invented in the 1880's.
As an aside, since that piece was broadcast two companies that began by making bicycle components in the 1890's have come forward to help produce the bikes.
And just to clarify something else, the local media ran a piece several weeks ago about how we were looking for local people to help us produce these machines. After a casual conversation with a friend (who happens to be a BBC presenter) a couple of weeks later I was approached by regional TV about a short news story. This was all arranged but then BBC Breakfast heard about it and took the story on. At no point did I approach the BBC about this.
GTTTM
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Do you now I've just read the thread from the start and all the way through the debating was thinking "I bet the link that is on the BBC website isn't the full piece that was broadcast on the Breakfast show" (they never are). So suspected that it didn't tell the full story as shown live
As an aside I think I would be absolutely terrified riding a pf..............for starters how do you get up there???
As an aside I think I would be absolutely terrified riding a pf..............for starters how do you get up there???
Arch
Married to Night Train
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Having watched a few times, it's a sort of 'hop, hop, hop, hup!'.
There's a peg on the frame above the back wheel, and you hold the handlebars, put one foot on that peg, scoot with the other and then when you've got momentum going, you haul yourself up into the saddle.
To get off, do it in reverse, or if you're athletic, doing a flying sideways dismount.
Never done it myself, far too scaredy!
See here:
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]View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZpS9YPsSUE[/media]
For an even more extreme example, see How to Mount a Tall Bike:
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]View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W03_wrJL5U[/media]
GTTTM
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blimey - I'm not sure I'd even be tall enough to get my leg up (on the peg that is 
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