Hilldodger on't telly this am

[Arch]

They didn't even speak to me.

Bah, journalists, eh?

 

[Wildwilly]

mmmmm, well I read the feature on Bikebiz and thought how good is this so clicked through to the interview on the BBC.

After seeing the news report I came away with the impression that its wonderful what what you are doing bringing back these bikes back into production again in this country. The bike you are riding looks great sign me up to buy one. That's how the interview came over.

So I think you are being hard on Carlton Reid at BikeBiz because he probably just wrote his feature from what he watched on the Beeb, their later edit was only really correcting the facts wasn't it?

 

[Hilldodger]

mmmmm, well I read the feature on Bikebiz and thought how good is this so clicked through to the interview on the BBC.

After seeing the news report I came away with the impression that its wonderful what what you are doing bringing back these bikes back into production again in this country. The bike you are riding looks great sign me up to buy one. That's how the interview came over.

So I think you are being hard on Carlton Reid at BikeBiz because he probably just wrote his feature from what he watched on the Beeb, their later edit was only really correcting the facts wasn't it?

If Carlton had actually talked to me our event watched the live piece that went alongside the live package he could have been better informed.

Joff does indeed make Pennies that feature many modern components such as ali wheel rims and cable brakes. They are great machines and I've riden several but they are not authentic which is what we are trying to achieve.

 

[Wildwilly]

If Carlton had actually talked to me our event watched the live piece that went alongside the live package he could have been better informed.

Joff does indeed make Pennies that feature many modern components such as ali wheel rims and cable brakes. They are great machines and I've riden several but they are not authentic which is what we are trying to achieve.

I think your missing the point, all he has done is correct the facts, surely there is nothing wrong with a journalist doing this?

The BikeBiz piece I assume written from what was said and shown in the BBC interview. The interview is great for you as advertising for your Penny farthings especially as it did come across as you were the one reintroducing of these bikes in the UK. You have said the first batch of 10 is sold out, at £1500 each, so that is £15000, nice.

But what's it on the back of, you showing something that another guy has made and not mentioning it in the interview, and then getting annoyed that BikeBiz has edited their post to show this.

If you had waited an shown your own bike this would never of happened, it certainly wouldn't have got under my skin, you may have had an order from me.

You can't use the press/net to publicise your business, and be surprised if it comes back to bite you if you don't give all the facts. I think you owe the BikeBiz people an apology.

 

[Hilldodger]

We are a not-for-profit community organisaintion and the BBC came to us about doing the story and not the other way around.

All the proceeds from the bikes will go into our special needs project that we run on an entirely voluntary basis.

 

[Arch]

I think your missing the point, all he has done is correct the facts, surely there is nothing wrong with a journalist doing this?

I think it's the tone of the correction more than anything.

Also, it would be more credible if they'd got the name of the person in the correction actually right. Correction of the correction anyone?

 

[classic33]

Saw the piece on telly. Female presenter(studio) had the comment passed that they could make one to fit her.

However, reading whats on here it seems as someone is upset that their thunder has been stolen & now they are wanting in on the act.

People make stuff everyday & someone else may sell the stuff they made at a later date. So what, they didn't get their 15 minutes of fame whilst someone else did. There'll be other chances for them.

If its purely & simply down to the fact that someone else is advertising "their" product what does it matter?

 

[Wildwilly]

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Because they were surprised, just as I was I suppose.

I think it's the tone of the correction more than anything.

Also, it would be more credible if they'd got the name of the person in the correction actually right. Correction of the correction anyone?

Yes their tone was sharp, but factual. Getting the name wrong was sloppy I agree.

My main beef all along has been the annoyance shown to the BikeBiz people, this is mainly because I work in the media and know how people want to garner publicity for their products. Whoever initiated the story that went out on the BBC it was a great piece of publicity for Hilldoger and his bike, plus a very interesting interview. I have a real passion for bicycles, so when I saw the feature on the BBC I was yes sign me up, I want one.

The BikeBiz correction, made me dig deeper and I found that it was true, I was very surprised.

Saw the piece on telly. Female presenter(studio) had the comment passed that they could make one to fit her.

However, reading whats on here it seems as someone is upset that their thunder has been stolen & now they are wanting in on the act.

People make stuff everyday & someone else may sell the stuff they made at a later date. So what, they didn't get their 15 minutes of fame whilst someone else did. There'll be other chances for them.

If its purely & simply down to the fact that someone else is advertising "their" product what does it matter?

Classic33 I would agree with you whole hearted except for one thing, when in the interview did Hilldoger advertise the other guys bike? Watching the film, it comes over as the bike he is riding is his one, yes he doesn't say it is but the implication is clearly there. Now as he has mentioned on this forum he has sold 10 bikes, what have the customers seen for them to part with £1500? Someone else's product?

Now being fare perhaps he didn't know they were still being made, but 30 seconds of googleing showed me that they were.

I do sound negative here, and I don't want to be, and this obviously takes nothing away from the great charitable work that CycleMagic do, but if you are going to use the media to promote something, you must be factually correct and not be surprised if someone picks you up on it if your not.

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

I would like to have a go on pf, only I'd be terrified of going arse before tit and having to be taken to hospital with my teeth in a bag ...

Wow, I would love to have a go on one of these, but like XMisterIS, I fear a trip to the local A and E.

Yes, imagine riding one in the morning rush hour and getting hit by a car - you'd end up clinging to their roof!!

 

[classic33]

Because they were surprised, just as I was I suppose.




Yes their tone was sharp, but factual. Getting the name wrong was sloppy I agree.

My main beef all along has been the annoyance shown to the BikeBiz people, this is mainly because I work in the media and know how people want to garner publicity for their products. Whoever initiated the story that went out on the BBC it was a great piece of publicity for Hilldoger and his bike, plus a very interesting interview. I have a real passion for bicycles, so when I saw the feature on the BBC I was yes sign me up, I want one.

The BikeBiz correction, made me dig deeper and I found that it was true, I was very surprised.



Classic33 I would agree with you whole hearted except for one thing, when in the interview did Hilldoger advertise the other guys bike? Watching the film, it comes over as the bike he is riding is his one, yes he doesn't say it is but the implication is clearly there. Now as he has mentioned on this forum he has sold 10 bikes, what have the customers seen for them to part with £1500? Someone else's product?

Now being fare perhaps he didn't know they were still being made, but 30 seconds of googleing showed me that they were.

I do sound negative here, and I don't want to be, and this obviously takes nothing away from the great charitable work that CycleMagic do, but if you are going to use the media to promote something, you must be factually correct and not be surprised if someone picks you up on it if your not.

I bought an "odd" pedal cycle from a person over Manchester way, at no time when I was talking to him about it did he ever make the claim that he produced it himself. However it was made on his behalf. The bike in question in this case is similarly an "odd" pedal cycle. But I don't recall him ever saying in the piece that he produced the bike either, only that he had sold them.

Years ago I bought a frame with the shop owners name on it. I knew when buying it that he had never made it, someone else had, for him to put his name to & sell on. How did I know it wasn't made by him? Simple, I asked because I wanted to be certain of what was being bought. Its called researching the product. Easy to do, by anyone.

 

[fossyant]

Well done.

 

[Wildwilly]

I bought an "odd" pedal cycle from a person over Manchester way, at no time when I was talking to him about it did he ever make the claim that he produced it himself. However it was made on his behalf. The bike in question in this case is similarly an "odd" pedal cycle. But I don't recall him ever saying in the piece that he produced the bike either, only that he had sold them.

Years ago I bought a frame with the shop owners name on it. I knew when buying it that he had never made it, someone else had, for him to put his name to & sell on. How did I know it wasn't made by him? Simple, I asked because I wanted to be certain of what was being bought. Its called researching the product. Easy to do, by anyone.

Classic33, if I am understanding your rather cryptic analogy correctly you are saying that in the past you have bought bicycles from a person with their name on, but not actually built by them? Just in the way a lot of bikes these days are made in Taiwan and badged in Europe and the States for different manufacturers.
If I have understood your point correctly, I agree with you that doing that is fine. Easy to research, yes agree again.

So what is different here? The bike shown in the interview is someone else's product, its not been re badged and by implication in the interview it comes over as if it is the first new Cyclemagic bike. The whole tone is about how they are going to be built again for the first time in a 100 or so years, when the very bike they are showing has been built here since apparently 2003. This is what led to the correction on BikeBiz.

An analogy of my own, a photographer wants to get some work, so he shows a lot of wonderful pictures to some editors, they love what they see and he gets a great gig on the back of his examples.
Now he didn't actually say the pictures were his own, but he didn't say they weren't either. Do you think the editors will be annoyed when they find out he has never taken a photo before?

 

[Andy84]

Zzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Wildwilly]

Zzzzzzzzzzz

Yes Andy this debate does seem to be going this way.

I'm off to put some miles on my legs, and get away from this computer for a day

 

[classic33]

Classic33, if I am understanding your rather cryptic analogy correctly you are saying that in the past you have bought bicycles from a person with their name on, but not actually built by them? Just in the way a lot of bikes these days are made in Taiwan and badged in Europe and the States for different manufacturers.
If I have understood your point correctly, I agree with you that doing that is fine. Easy to research, yes agree again.

So what is different here? The bike shown in the interview is someone else's product, its not been re badged and by implication in the interview it comes over as if it is the first new Cyclemagic bike. The whole tone is about how they are going to be built again for the first time in a 100 or so years, when the very bike they are showing has been built here since apparently 2003. This is what led to the correction on BikeBiz.

An analogy of my own, a photographer wants to get some work, so he shows a lot of wonderful pictures to some editors, they love what they see and he gets a great gig on the back of his examples.
Now he didn't actually say the pictures were his own, but he didn't say they weren't either. Do you think the editors will be annoyed when they find out he has never taken a photo before?

My "odd" pedal cycle was bought from the person who gave his name to it. He never made the claim that he made the pedal cycles, which are on sale in a London shop. The only place to buy them new. On that one, all I did was cut out the shop, which by the way never said they manufactured them either. I've left the name out on purpose, for my own reasons

On the bike frame with the shop owners name. Local frame builder (for the shop), who got his work sold through the shop. What that frame builder does know is that everyone of his frames that gets sold through that shop are his. Frames can be seen all over the North.

For me this boils down to sour grapes. Someone else got the interview & that has upset someone else. Has the thoight ever struck you that because of the not for profit nature of the business & the side story of having taught Chris Hoy how to ride one, going where they did made a better interview.

Your own analogy comes down to the same lack of research. But I'd say the editors would be more bothered they'd been fooled more finding they'd acceppted "work" from a "photographer" who has never taken a picture before.