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sheddy

Squire
Location
Suffolk
How hard is it to get a Website up for next to nothing ?
I have an artist friend who I suspect would get much more exposure if she had a simple website with some contact details on and links to examples of her work. How much would this cost per year to run ?
Can I just read a 'Dummies' book to get her started or what ?
 
sheddy said:
How hard is it to get a Website up for next to nothing ?
I have an artist friend who I suspect would get much more exposure if she had a simple website with some contact details on and links to examples of her work. How much would this cost per year to run ?
Can I just read a 'Dummies' book to get her started or what ?

Best option would to use some sort of cms like joomla instant ready made site disable all the stuff not needed and away to go.
I think you could even find hosting that would come with it preinstalled maybe
http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search;_...x.?p=joomla+hosting&fr=moz35&fr2=sb-top&rd=r2

http://www.5quidhost.co.uk/
 
For a very basic site you can download a free WYSIWYG html editor like KompoZer and a free stand alone ftp software to upload the site - however the templates do look a lot better and probably spare you the time getting to grips with how HTML editors work.

Site hosting generally costs £20 - £50 per year.

Getting a site noticed is the main problem - you would need to read up on SEO (search engine optimisation) - how to climb the Google rankings for their Serps.
 

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
123reg.co.uk are good for .co.uk domains. About £6.50 for 2 years.

Web hosting might be a bit more, I wouldn't go through 123reg for that (I don't know if it's good or bad, but I'd be tempted to say it'll probably be over priced and quite limiting).

You should be able to get a small, reliable web hosting package for about £20/year. Many ISPs offer free webspace - though you probably wouldn't be able to link your domain to it very well for search engines.

After that, you can get free software to help you make the site.

Though, don't take this the wrong way, but:


  • How is the site going to get her more exposure?
  • How are people going to find the site?
  • Are people searching the internet for her, or would they be looking for art and you'd like her website to come up?
 

peanut

Guest
I've made 3x basic websites using MS Publisher . MS Frontpage is better i believe.
As accountantpete says, this type of software is wysiwyg .They have lots of ready made templates or you can start with a basic blank page. Just import your images write your text ,insert your links and create further pages as required. Publisher then creates the webpages in seconds . simples.:biggrin:

Best way to start is to spend a few hours browsing at other art sites and do some print screening to save the ones you think most effective that way you have a starting point for layout and composition for your own page
 

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
peanut said:
I've made 3x basic websites using MS Publisher . MS Frontpage is better i believe.

I would try to avoid both of these products. They output really bad HTML code, which is bad for a few reasons...but most importantly it'll probably limit search engines interest in your website.
 
thomas said:
I would try to avoid both of these products. They output really bad HTML code, which is bad for a few reasons...but most importantly it'll probably limit search engines interest in your website.

But you can then get the code checked by the W3C Validator and correct any basic errors. Besides I don't think Google is that strict judging by the errors I see in high ranking sites.
 

peanut

Guest
thomas said:
I would try to avoid both of these products. They output really bad HTML code, which is bad for a few reasons...but most importantly it'll probably limit search engines interest in your website.

I wasn't aware of any problems . The websites were up for about 3x years and I got lots of sales from the US and Europe as well as the UK .
The beauty is you don't need to learn a single word of html which was perfect for a busy businessman like me that doesn't have time to learn html.:evil:
 

nigelnorris

Well-Known Member
Location
Birmingham
A few years ago, for a period of about five years, a significant part of my job was 'optimising' the company website, at which I was very successful. You could type in almost any relevant search term and my company's website would ocupy at least 5 of the top ten search results.

Not very ethical, because mainly what I did was embed loads of search terms hidden in the code, set up a number of carefully named redirect URLs and mirrors, plus the usual term postioning, font emphasis etc. Our sites would never could close to passing W3C validation because the code was so heavily manipulated. All the stuff Google tell you is disallowed basically. But the warnings are scare stories, none of it ever came back to us, we were never removed from any lists or added to any blacklists.

It was about 5 years ago I changed jobs so I'm not in the business any more and things might have changed, but we always worked on the principle that they didn't care enough about small companies and the lesser used keywords we were interested in to bother with us, and it worked just fine.

[Disclaimer: don't try this yourselves folks, they might just have nailed this kind of thing by now.]

On a more commercially acceptable note, we also found that spending money on google keywords was a very good investment.
 

Melvil

Guest
I wondered exactly the same thing - and, I think, based on the recommendations of people I knew I downloaded JOOMLA! and built a site.

I paid around a ton for a year's hosting and other peripherals and went on from there. One thing is, the site is quite slow, but it works. Anyway - to see a working JOOMLA! template see MY PHOTO SITE, below (any comments appreciated!)
 

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
nigelnorris said:
[Disclaimer: don't try this yourselves folks, they might just have nailed this kind of thing by now.]

Google have improved their algorithm. Basically, you need the following


  • A good website, with good content - something that people actually want to visit...not just stolen/duplicated stuff.
  • The site needs to be easy to navigate and to access the pages
  • You need to get the site linked from other relevant websites
In the past there used to be lots of ways to trick Google. I'd stay away from that, just build a website that people will want to visit.

Not used JOOMLA, but used Wordpress all the time at work. Been doing a lot of custom themes for wordpress recently, but there are loads of free designs on their website which you could use. Something like that would give you a well optimised website that is easy to update. Either set it up yourself, or get someone to help you out with it (pay a little).
 

nigelnorris

Well-Known Member
Location
Birmingham
Melvil said:
I paid around a ton for a year's hosting and other peripherals and went on from there.
For that sort of money I'd recommend the OP to take a look at Dreamhost, slightly less cost, near enough unlimited bandwidth and storage for a small/medium business, but the big advantage is prebuilt installation [1-Click installs they call them, and it works] of Wordpress, Joomla, Commerce sites, forums, you name it. Ideal for for a newcomer, can get any of those sites up and running from a bazzillion templates, with no knowledge of PHP, MySQL etc, but with all the control and customisation there if you want it..
 

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
nigelnorris said:
For that sort of money I'd recommend the OP to take a look at Dreamhost, slightly less cost, near enough unlimited bandwidth and storage for a small/medium business


Dreamhost I think do it well, but on the most part, be warey with unlimited space/bandwidth deals. It is technically impossible to get it, nearly all of them are limited by vague 'fair usage' policies.

I get a lot of space and bandwidth, at an impossible cost. Most companies oversell, just like airlines do. It's not a bad thing....until too many people show up to the airport :hungry:.

It helps reduce the price for everyone.

I've used hostgator who are great and I am currently with resellerzoom.com

Both have fantastico, which offers one click (or at least a few click) installs for most popular scripts like wordpress/joomla.
 

nigelnorris

Well-Known Member
Location
Birmingham
thomas said:
Dreamhost I think do it well, but on the most part, be warey with unlimited space/bandwidth deals. It is technically impossible to get it, nearly all of them are limited by vague 'fair usage' policies.
Of course, which is why I was careful to specify for a small or medium company. The kind of website that is only generating page hits in the thousands rather than millions is what I'm thinking.

The Dreamhost wiki is very specific and imo fair about what is and isn't allowed

http://www.dreamhost.com/unlimited.html

Yes Fantastico is the package I was thinking of, that's what DH are using too.

[In fact might as well link to this for reference, what you can expect to be included for max $9.99/m, probably the sameish as thomas is describing elsewhere]

http://www.dreamhost.com/hosting.html

I agree with thomas, there are a an awful lot of companies about vying for business. In fact a note worth making is that it's a good idea to try and find the right deal first time because if you want to change hosts then transferring your URL about isn't difficult, but it can be a confusing process.
 

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
nigelnorris said:
I agree with thomas, there are a an awful lot of companies about vying for business. In fact a note worth making is that it's a good idea to try and find the right deal first time because if you want to change hosts then transferring your URL about isn't difficult, but it can be a confusing process.

Yep! I've had to move once or twice due to...well, being too tight. You get what you pay for (most of the time).

Feel free to PM/post any companies you're thinking about going with and I'm happy to give my thoughts...other option is to do a search for them on:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/

I've been working with websites for over 5 years now so can spot some signs that bad web hosts' websites have.
 
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