How can you tell if a trend will last or not?
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My view on Di2/Etap is the same as @Drago, a nice bit of kit but can't get excited about it, I have built quite a few bikes since the introduction of Di2 and everytime I have asked myself do I install it this time, I go through the pros and cons and always end up fitting mechanical, I am not saying never as people I ride with praise it highly and it does have some good points, but I always come back to, "I move my brake lever and it changes" "if I press the button on Di2 it changes" which is easier to work on and most likely not to let me down, and the answer always comes back, mechanical.
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Cycling is all things to all people. Leisure riders, commuters, hard core MTBers, trail pootlers, utility riders, disqualified drivers who cycle under sufference, and about 600 different flavours and sub categories of road cyclist. For one cyclist to suggest that another doesn't have a particular piece of equipment because they cant afford it is one of the most smug, insufferable things I've ever heard said.
Cycling is a broad church with a huge and varied congregation. The Church of Cycling (tm, Drago Ecumenical Enterprises 2018) welcomes those from all denominations. Or it should. The odd self appointed lay preacher who criticises others for not conforming to their ideals is the sort of chap who would start wars over minor religious differences of opinion.
Someone does like a bit of kit you do. Big deal, get over it. You must get a huge shock when you nip out in the car and most of the nation has the bareface temerity to drive a different make and model to you. How dare they! And don't get me started on those fools who don't like the same ice cream as me. I mean, those idiots who don't love mint choccie chip and custard sausage flavour ice cream clearly just can't afford it...
Cycling is a broad church with a huge and varied congregation. The Church of Cycling (tm, Drago Ecumenical Enterprises 2018) welcomes those from all denominations. Or it should. The odd self appointed lay preacher who criticises others for not conforming to their ideals is the sort of chap who would start wars over minor religious differences of opinion.
Someone does like a bit of kit you do. Big deal, get over it. You must get a huge shock when you nip out in the car and most of the nation has the bareface temerity to drive a different make and model to you. How dare they! And don't get me started on those fools who don't like the same ice cream as me. I mean, those idiots who don't love mint choccie chip and custard sausage flavour ice cream clearly just can't afford it...
Will wagging competition? Says the guy who just quoted he had two houses and no mortgage............or is that not willy wagging. Buy another house, you may then be one closer to what i own
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The point was raised only to counter yours that someone else doesnt have Di2 because they dont have financial means. I thought it was as obvious as a low flying piano, but I may have been uncharacteristally subtle if you missed the point.
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Yes you did.....indirectly when you stated "to the sensible".................just cause someone owns it. It doesnt make them less sensible than others
And as for you @Drago your about as subtle as a falling house brick smashing a consevatory roof
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Only just seen this.
Yes Drago, it was perfectly clear to me what you meant and doubtless to others - ie: you can afford it but choose not to spend money on it. There was no hint of bragging at all about the house/mortgage situation.
I always think one of the best things about cycling is the sense of zen like calm it brings on
all the best
ps - my sort of cycling declaration - lots of bikes, not a full on racer or downhill off-roader - got back into cycling too late for that to be on - fast enough and have done, nay led, some long tough rides - the blue beat messiah can maybe vouch for the last point
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The perfect accessory for this threads willy wavers, check out the big pink Ofmega one in this article
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...rful-derailleurs-and-how-they-changed-cycling
Notable that the Huret Jubilee derailleur from 1974 is still a good bit lighter than the current Dura Ace option.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...rful-derailleurs-and-how-they-changed-cycling
Notable that the Huret Jubilee derailleur from 1974 is still a good bit lighter than the current Dura Ace option.
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thanks for that - some interesting bits of engineering, design and history in there. My first thought on seeing the pink thing was "yuk", followed by "it looks like a sex toy" - luckily I was relieved to then find that the writer thinks the same so I'm clearly not totally warped. Must admit I like my old ultegra mech - came with an old bike, still running, about to replace the jockey wheels so I am quietly confident it will surpass 20 years of service.
What would you call it then? especially as the thread is about trends in cycling, what has having multiple house's and being mortgage free got to do with it, other than bragging???
Excellent read and well written. I liked "Shimano finally gave in to the inevitability of having to sell its top-of-the-line groupset to fat middle-aged men who want low, low gears" - felt like it was talking to meThe perfect accessory for this threads willy wavers, check out the big pink Ofmega one in this article
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...rful-derailleurs-and-how-they-changed-cycling
Notable that the Huret Jubilee derailleur from 1974 is still a good bit lighter than the current Dura Ace option.
I have to say I often find "old vs new" arguments somewhat bemusing, as I'm someone who loves old-fashioned mechanical craftsmanship - but I'm also a sucker for modern electrickery. I love my steel road bikes with 6-speed freewheels and friction shifters, and with their classic good looks. But that's only one of the reasons I'm not interested in modern carbon bikes - another reason is that I fear I'd like them and get sucked into significantly more expense. (And while I think vintage bikes look the best, I don't find all modern bikes ugly - a lot are, yes, but there are some very nice looking ones too.)
One of my other great passions is photography, and I still shoot film in completely mechanical cameras with no batteries - and they're gorgeous things. But I love my DSLR too. To me, they're just two aspects of the same art - much like different kinds of bikes.
At my time of life I'm extremely unlikely to buy a carbon bike or electronic shifters - but the 20-yo me from years ago who craved the best Reynolds tubing would almost certainly be wanting them.
Anyway, must rush - I think there's a service just starting at Drago's Church of Cycling and I don't want to be late.
One of my other great passions is photography, and I still shoot film in completely mechanical cameras with no batteries - and they're gorgeous things. But I love my DSLR too. To me, they're just two aspects of the same art - much like different kinds of bikes.
At my time of life I'm extremely unlikely to buy a carbon bike or electronic shifters - but the 20-yo me from years ago who craved the best Reynolds tubing would almost certainly be wanting them.
Anyway, must rush - I think there's a service just starting at Drago's Church of Cycling and I don't want to be late.
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Could we cut out the bickering about whether having a certain bit of kit is willy waving or not. It's straying off topic and disrupting the discussion.
If you like a gizmo and want it, that is fine. If you don't like it and don't want it, no problem. Back on topic from here.
Could we cut out the bickering about whether having a certain bit of kit is willy waving or not. It's straying off topic and disrupting the discussion.
If you like a gizmo and want it, that is fine. If you don't like it and don't want it, no problem. Back on topic from here.
I reckon the Willy Waving trend won’t last!
I also hope the More Money Than Sense trend won’t last!
On a serious note, I find it very interesting when people rubbish new trends and covet more traditional trends that were themselves rubbished by the generation before them.
I think we all just need to accept that some things from the era we are from seem to give a warmer glow than stuff from the previous or subsequent era.
I love real quality items that have a touch of individualism and thought about them. I can see the attraction of more traditional style bikes, when a pukka condition bike with quality parts shows itself. It will never give me that warm glow like my current bikes though. I suspect, in years to come, that the newer styled bikes won’t bring that glow either.
I just hope that I can remember that fact and not rubbish others for liking the current trends.
I also hope the More Money Than Sense trend won’t last!
On a serious note, I find it very interesting when people rubbish new trends and covet more traditional trends that were themselves rubbished by the generation before them.
I think we all just need to accept that some things from the era we are from seem to give a warmer glow than stuff from the previous or subsequent era.
I love real quality items that have a touch of individualism and thought about them. I can see the attraction of more traditional style bikes, when a pukka condition bike with quality parts shows itself. It will never give me that warm glow like my current bikes though. I suspect, in years to come, that the newer styled bikes won’t bring that glow either.
I just hope that I can remember that fact and not rubbish others for liking the current trends.
