How do animals have thoughts?

[Illaveago]

I'm going to go slightly off track a bit,but a clip of a lecture made me think about the ancient cave drawings.

Where are the caves that must be full of preliminary sketches of scribblings? My parents old encyclopedias have scribbles on every blank page, even the walls of the house have some hidden behind the wallpaper. I cannot see that the images in the caves were their first attempts and they must have gradually improved their techniques.
It was just a thought.

 

[rich p]

My loss? Maybe - but I'll take that chance...

Thanks for popping in to tell us that you can't be bothered to read the thread.
If only more people would be as considerate.

 

[S-Express]

Thanks for popping in to tell us that you can't be bothered to read the thread.
If only more people would be as considerate.

No problem. If you need any other threads glossed over and presumptions made about the outcome, just let me know...

 

[Prometheus]

Correct

Time for some more fuel on the fire.
It’s not do we think but how we think that is the question.
How do we organise our thoughts into coherent pattens so we can accurately
model the world?

Too types of Brain’s I recognised so far (as pointed out)
1 Visual memory: this is like a string of photo’s as on your phone.
You just open one to get all the detail’s
Extremely good spatial qualities these people have a full CAD computer program
in there head.
Techno supremos but not very social people, if you chat to them in the Lab with the lights flashing.
Your answer will be “Don’t talk to me now, this Lab isn’t blast proof” Ciba-geigy.

2 Vocal memory: words phases and sounds are tied as memory’s.
(this is not complete needs a citation)
Very social people with good verbal skills work in sales, marketing, social workers, Politician’s.

No Techno perception at all after a meeting lasting 4 hours,
it will take 43 of them to????? (this is not complete needs a citation)

 

[S-Express]

Too types of Brain’s I recognised so far (as pointed out)
1 Visual memory: this is like a string of photo’s as on your phone.
You just open one to get all the detail’s
Extremely good spatial qualities these people have a full CAD computer program
in there head.
Techno supremos but not very social people, if you chat to them in the Lab with the lights flashing.
Your answer will be “Don’t talk to me now, this Lab isn’t blast proof” Ciba-geigy.

2 Vocal memory: words phases and sounds are tied as memory’s.
(this is not complete needs a citation)
Very social people with good verbal skills work in sales, marketing, social workers, Politician’s.

There is a third type. A type which cannot spell 'two' and also incorrectly adds an apostrophe before almost every 's'.

 

[Prometheus]

There is a third type. A type which cannot spell 'two' and also incorrectly adds an apostrophe before almost every 's'.

Then now we have four type,s
We had one at Sckool the nit nurse

 

[S-Express]

We had one at Sckool the nit nurse

You may call it nit picking - I call it 'correcting dreadful grammar, spelling and punctuation', sorry about that.

Anyway, you should be thanking me.

 

[nickyboy]

You may call it nit picking - I call it 'correcting dreadful grammar, spelling and punctuation', sorry about that.

Anyway, you should be thanking me.

I used to be a bit of a nit picker about grammar and punctuation like you are. But I came to realise that the overriding premise of language is communication. If communication can be effective, even with grammatical or punctuation "errors" (which in truth are merely conventions in any case), I'm cool with it. I'm sufficiently tuned in to be able to use context to know what someone is trying to say, even with "errors"

 

[Tin Pot]

I used to be a bit of a nit picker about grammar and punctuation like you are. But I came to realise that the overriding premise of language is communication. If communication can be effective, even with grammatical or punctuation "errors" (which in truth are merely conventions in any case), I'm cool with it. I'm sufficiently tuned in to be able to use context to know what someone is trying to say, even with "errors"

Which is where you are wrong - and you have picked the perfect thread to trot out that nonsense.

Good communication, good grammar, clear message are also good, clear thought. Correcting your sloppy thought makes you a better thinker.

Edit: I'm pouncing on the idea, not you, no offence intended.

 

[S-Express]

I used to be a bit of a nit picker about grammar and punctuation like you are. But I came to realise that the overriding premise of language is communication. If communication can be effective, even with grammatical or punctuation "errors" (which in truth are merely conventions in any case), I'm cool with it. I'm sufficiently tuned in to be able to use context to know what someone is trying to say, even with "errors"

I understood what he was saying, that wasn't the issue. Pointing out one error would be 'nit picking'. Pointing out a pervasive misunderstanding about how to use apostrophes and how you don't need one before an 's' in order to pluralise a word is not 'nit picking' - it's more like a public service.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

This thought provoking thread has provoked yet another thought in my old bonce:

I am now wondering if dogs communicating en-masse emulate humans when they have a group discussion (sorry: chat) inasmuch as; do their cogitations descend into nit-picking and bitchy-ness as well?

 

[nickyboy]

Which is where you are wrong - and you have picked the perfect thread to trot out that nonsense.

Good communication, good grammar, clear message are also good, clear thought. Correcting your sloppy thought makes you a better thinker.

We have a divergence of thought regarding the manner and purpose of communication which is fine. I'm more interested in what people say (or write) rather than whether they remain within the strictures of "good grammar/spelling".

It is possible to have clear thought without complying with the conventions of spelling and grammar.

 

[S-Express]

It is possible to have clear thought without complying with the conventions of spelling and grammar.

But it becomes very difficult to communicate it clearly, through a written medium, without it.

 

[Tin Pot]

But it becomes very difficult to communicate it clearly, through a written medium, without it.

And even harder to prove that that thinking is clear.

 

[marinyork]

Good communication, good grammar, clear message are also good, clear thought. Correcting your sloppy thought makes you a better thinker.

Woof.