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I love Southern Rail

Discussion in 'Commuting and Utility Cycling' started by MichaelO, 11 Dec 2016.

  1. MichaelO

    MichaelO Senior Member

    Location:
    Merstham, Surrey
    They're making me up my usually low December mileage. Another week of non-existent trains by the looks of things

    :bicycle:
     
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  2. raleighnut

    raleighnut Guru

    Location:
    On 3 Wheels
    :bravo:
     
  3. Lonestar

    Lonestar Cycling Underdog.

    Location:
    CS 2 and CS 3
    Nice one...How many miles did you do compared to what you do with the strike?
     
  4. MichaelO

    MichaelO Senior Member

    Location:
    Merstham, Surrey
    I usually commute twice a week (20 miles each way, and childcare makes it tough to do more) - but it'll be a minimum of 3 through December, and probably more like 4. Just hope the mild weather continues!
     
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  5. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Glad it's helping someone. The actions of Southern operator Govia seem nothing short of a scandal, both the general concept of pushing a dispute about driver-only operation of the longest trains all the way through to strikes and today's particular allegations of cancelling services that they could have run. With the Home Secretary attacking the ASLEF union, I almost wonder if the May government is trying to give rail operators a union-busting Christmas present...

    Does anyone here actually want to travel on trains with nearly a thousand other seats (and probably far more passengers at peak) with only the driver?
     
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  6. srw

    srw AGM 2008, Dykes medal 2011

    Normal on many lines, local and reasonably long-distance, including the whole of the London Underground network.

    I detest the actions of Southern and the government, but every time I get on a SouthWest train I'm mystified as to why guards still exist in the 21st century.
     
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  7. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    The LU network is mostly a lot more tightly controlled than the surface one, plus much slower (average 21mph, top about 70mph) and the fastest stock has whole-train CCTV and track-to-train video. The long-train driver-only surface lines (Thameslink, London Overground and part of Southern) seem to have most of the CCTV and track-to-train, plus consistency of train types. Other lines running long trains like c2c or Southeastern on HS1 have preferred to keep having a second crew member on the long trains.

    It lets companies operate trains more safely without expensive station infrastructure, doesn't it? I suspect there's a few who-will-blink-first contents going on (notably Southern at Southeastern or South West Trains stations, but also SWT at GWRs) where an operator doesn't want to be the first to being Driver Only Operation to another company's station and probably be asked to pay for the upgrades.
     
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  8. Lonestar

    Lonestar Cycling Underdog.

    Location:
    CS 2 and CS 3
    Guards are more useful in many aspects.Always a good back-up when you've got 800 or more passengers to deal with.How many staff have they got on planes?
    I'm not looking forward to DOO at all.In my 35 years on the railways I've seen many changes but for me DOO will be a bridge too far.I will give it a try if I have to but I have a feeling it will speed up my retirement as well as quite a few other drivers.

    Been asking a lot of my colleagues recently and I haven't met one who wants to see guards go.
     
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  9. vickster

    vickster Guru

    Location:
    Sutton
    Except guards on trains don't serve free champagne like air stewards ;)

    Thameslink don't have guards, nor do the southern trains I get to work (or would if they weren't on strike) from an unmanned station
     
  10. Lonestar

    Lonestar Cycling Underdog.

    Location:
    CS 2 and CS 3
    That's got me convinced.Seriously I don't know how their railways wok because as we are part of different franchises every railway works different.Different hours/shifts/routes/trains/passenger numbers etc.Doing the doors as well as other things adds to the workload.The driver should be concentrating on his title.DRIVING.

    I'm not getting into a discussion about this.Obviously the people who don't drive trains day in day out year in year out know better.Not really a good idea to discuss my job on social media.

    As I said though.I will try it if I have to but if I find it too horrendous I'm off.It may be too much for me.(That's not a threat and I haven't gone off on a hissy fit.I know I'm privileged to be allowed to do this job and it's an honour not a god given right.).Remember tiredness and shift work play a part here also.And no I don't want a strike if it can be avoided,

    Sorry don't mean to be rude.:hello:

    (Edited)
     
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  11. NorthernDave

    NorthernDave Never used Über Member

    One service that the guards do provide is assisting disabled passengers on and off the train, including deploying a ramp for wheelchairs where needed.
    Wasn't a disability action group threatening Southern with court action if the guards were removed as it would effectively mean someone in a wheelchair wouldn't be able to get on / off a train at many stations?
    I'm not sure what the arrangements are with other train operators who already run DOO services, but it sounds a valid point.
     
  12. Lonestar

    Lonestar Cycling Underdog.

    Location:
    CS 2 and CS 3
    Niters I'm up at 3am.x

    Onwards and upwards bro's and sisters.
     
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  13. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Free champagne is dying out as bare bones operators take over and stewards become Sky Mall sales assistants. I guess their unions aren't great ;)

    Thameslink are upgraded stations and I suspect your southern is either that line or shorter trains.
     
  14. Lonestar

    Lonestar Cycling Underdog.

    Location:
    CS 2 and CS 3
    Now back to the thread which was hijacked.Yet again.:whistle:

    The OP is doing more miles due to the strike.Now that sounds interesting.:blush:
     
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  15. srw

    srw AGM 2008, Dykes medal 2011

    The driver does it, or on some stations the platform has been built up so that there's no step.

    I've been riding driver-only operated trains all my working life - first from Bicester to London on Chiltern, and now on either TfL (Met line) or Chiltern from Amersham. I believe Chiltern uses driver-only operation all the way from London to Kidderminster, which isn't exactly a short journey, and north of Aynho Junction is entirely on lines shared with other operators, including Cross-Country inter-city trains. Although some of the tracks are equipped with the latest (20-year-old) safety equipment, not all of them are. The trains are almost as long as the Southern trains that operate with guards, and include stretches of tunnel.

    The "magic", such as it is, appears to be that the TV monitors on the platforms that link to the station CCTV are placed so that they're convenient for the driver rather than for the notional guard.

    Of course, if we'd still had a proper nationalised system the sort of investment which could have reduced staffing levels, and so ticket prices, might well have been made across the network 20 years ago rather than only on isolated lines.