I should pay for driver caught speeding

[Black Sheep]

I always thought you could exceed the limit to overtake on motorways for example?

motorways are likely the exception since there is a lane for overtaking.

 

[col]

motorways are likely the exception since there is a lane for overtaking.

Given that ,I thought it reasonable to think I could on other roads if it was safe to. For example if a car is traveling between 25 and 30 mph, and you passing at a quick enough speed to make it safe would be say 35 then carry on within the limit? as passing at 30 would be like two wagons slowly passing on a motorway, Just something i took for granted?

 

[Black Sheep]

Given that ,I thought it reasonable to think I could on other roads if it was safe to. For example if a car is traveling between 25 and 30 mph, and you passing at a quick enough speed to make it safe would be say 35 then carry on within the limit? as passing at 30 would be like two wagons slowly passing on a motorway, Just something i took for granted?

the whole thing comes from an advance driving thing i was doing in relation to driving mini busses, how overtaking ever comes into driving those things i'll never know, basically saying its acceptable to go above the speed limit in order to shorten the time needed to complete the maneuver and minimumise the time spent on the opposite side of the road, something that doesn't apply to the motorway since there's a barrier there,

if your overtaking something doing 40mph and your overtaking at 45 it'll take a while to do, if you overtake at 50 the manouver is quicker and your not in danger of hitting oncoming traffic for as long (obviously you shouldn't overtake into oncoming traffic and the instructor clearly assumed we'd wait until a good opportunity to overtake came up)

 

[col]

the whole thing comes from an advance driving thing i was doing in relation to driving mini busses, how overtaking ever comes into driving those things i'll never know, basically saying its acceptable to go above the speed limit in order to shorten the time needed to complete the maneuver and minimumise the time spent on the opposite side of the road, something that doesn't apply to the motorway since there's a barrier there,

if your overtaking something doing 40mph and your overtaking at 45 it'll take a while to do, if you overtake at 50 the manouver is quicker and your not in danger of hitting oncoming traffic for as long (obviously you shouldn't overtake into oncoming traffic and the instructor clearly assumed we'd wait until a good opportunity to overtake came up)

My example of speed was a bad one, but thats what I was trying to say.

 

[Rhythm Thief]

the whole thing comes from an advance driving thing i was doing in relation to driving mini busses, how overtaking ever comes into driving those things i'll never know, basically saying its acceptable to go above the speed limit in order to shorten the time needed to complete the maneuver and minimumise the time spent on the opposite side of the road, something that doesn't apply to the motorway since there's a barrier there,

if your overtaking something doing 40mph and your overtaking at 45 it'll take a while to do, if you overtake at 50 the manouver is quicker and your not in danger of hitting oncoming traffic for as long (obviously you shouldn't overtake into oncoming traffic and the instructor clearly assumed we'd wait until a good opportunity to overtake came up)

I think you'd be on very thin ice attempting to justify speeding on these grounds to the copper who pulls you over. I don't think you have a right to speed to get past someone, even if they are going slower than the limit. Why wouldn't you just wait behind them?

 

[Black Sheep]

Why wouldn't you just wait behind them?

tractor on an A road, was in the car with my fiancee driving a short while back, we were behind the blooming thing for an hour trying to get from liverpool to birmingham, the tractor didn't pull in despite the highway code saying he should if it is possible and my fiancee is a bit too timid to overtake things unless she's got a very clear run at it.

couple of instances i'd have got past safely but she wasn't confident to try

same with lorries if its a hilly road, i've gone past some going up onto the woodhead pass where i've just stuck my foot down to get past quick despite nothing being coming just to leave enough space between me, the truck and the bend, no idea if the speedo went above the 60 limit or not, its possible.

 

[asterix]

with each post people are making more and more sense that it is not true,

i have been assured it is legal and in the highway code, presumably under the overtaking section however i don't have a copy to hand

i'm now presuming it only applies on rural roads

The limit on rural roads tends to be around 60mph!

Considering the rural roads around here, the concept of someone exceeding that limit in order to overtake is a terrifying one. Not long ago I had to stop a sports car from overtaking me because I could see an oncoming horse and rider. He obviously could not.

So many overtaking manoeuvres are pointless and dangerous. The time saved is almost invariably so small as to be valueless. Much better to arrive stress-free.

 

[Origamist]

Rule 129 of the Highway Code permits it if the object you're overtaking is going at less than 10mph and Catrike was certainly going faster than that. I've never heard of being allowed to break the speed limit to overtake somebody going faster than the limit.

129

"Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less. "


Thanks for quoting this. I had not realised this was in the HC. What peturbs me is that it is easy to say a cyclist was doing 10mph or under in order to justify overtaking them.

 

[Eat MY Dust]

Catrike, you should have pretended that you were willing to pay the fine. Got his address and then posted it on here. We could all have sent him postcards telling him what berk he is!!

 

[Rhythm Thief]

tractor on an A road, was in the car with my fiancee driving a short while back, we were behind the blooming thing for an hour trying to get from liverpool to birmingham, the tractor didn't pull in despite the highway code saying he should if it is possible and my fiancee is a bit too timid to overtake things unless she's got a very clear run at it.

couple of instances i'd have got past safely but she wasn't confident to try

same with lorries if its a hilly road, i've gone past some going up onto the woodhead pass where i've just stuck my foot down to get past quick despite nothing being coming just to leave enough space between me, the truck and the bend, no idea if the speedo went above the 60 limit or not, its possible.

I agree it can be irritating being stuck behind slow vehicles, but you shouldn't kid yourself that it's legal to hammer past them way above the speed limit. Even if it is safer.

 

[4F]

Why didn't you try the M6?

Not enough tractors

 

[sheddy]

and when Mr BMW gets his NIP, he will be protesting his innocence by claiming that catrike set off the camera !

 

[Riding in Circles]

and when Mr BMW gets his NIP, he will be protesting his innocence by claiming that catrike set off the camera !

I have never managed to set off that camera, I have tried too, I have passed it at well over 40mph on numerous occasions to no avail, I think they need a bigger target like a car.

 

[Lazy-Commuter]

I have never managed to set off that camera, I have tried too, I have passed it at well over 40mph on numerous occasions to no avail, I think they need a bigger target like a car.

Does that mean we're all on stealth vehicles? Still, nice to know we'll be harder for missiles to hit ..

 

[mickle]

I want one of these for my speedy.

http://www.thegreenhead.com/2004/09/missile-balloons-for-your-car.php