If this is going to be a typical commute ..

[goo_mason]

I see that you live in Edinburgh and will understand if English is not your native tongue.
To choreograph neans 'to manage, manoeuver, or direct' and there have been plenty of examples on here and you do not have to put yourself in danger to choreograph an incident.

Look again. Geography obviously isn't your strong point, Mr Hippo...

 

[goo_mason]

You are attributing the ability to either 'force' drivers into making dangerous manoeuvres, or mind reading drivers' intentions as they come up from behind. Nonsense!

And the snide racism in your comment is contemptible.

Boydj - Mr Hippo is well-known in these parts for his rather forthright opinions of Scottish helmetcam videos. Well-known for popping in whenever he sees the words 'Magantom' and 'video'.

I think he lives far away from Scotland for a reason...

 

[magnatom]

Boydj - Mr Hippo is well-known in these parts for his rather forthright opinions of Scottish helmetcam videos. Well-known for popping in whenever he sees the words 'Magantom' and 'video'.

I think he lives far away from Scotland for a reason...

I've put col on ignore as I think it is for the best, but I'd never dream of ignoring Mr Hippo. His posts are far too entertaining to ignore. Keep 'em coming Mr Hippo, I'm your biggest fan!

 

[mr_hippo]

You are attributing the ability to either 'force' drivers into making dangerous manoeuvres, or mind reading drivers' intentions as they come up from behind. Nonsense!

And the snide racism in your comment is contemptible.

Yes. I agree - your first statement is nonsense! A cyclist complains about a 'close overtake', for example; we can see on the video that the cyclist does not deviate from his line, wobble or alter his speed. He then catches up with the 'offending' motorist and has a hissy fit - now if that is not managing the incident, tell me what is.
Are you confusing humour for racism?

 

[boydj]

Yes. I agree - your first statement is nonsense! A cyclist complains about a 'close overtake', for example; we can see on the video that the cyclist does not deviate from his line, wobble or alter his speed. He then catches up with the 'offending' motorist and has a hissy fit - now if that is not managing the incident, tell me what is.
Are you confusing humour for racism?

Humour? More like wind-up - and not funny.

Using your example, the 'incident' is the close pass - which could not have been choreographed - and this is what the discussion has been about. What happens after that is almost an irrelevance. Try to stay on topic.

 

[mr_hippo]

Look again. Geography obviously isn't your strong point, Mr Hippo...

At least, I know where I live! You put your location down as 'Leith, Edinburgh'. Now why have you done this if Leith is not part of Edinburgh?

Boydj - Mr Hippo is well-known in these parts for his rather forthright opinions of Scottish helmetcam videos. Well-known for popping in whenever he sees the words 'Magantom' and 'video'.

I think he lives far away from Scotland for a reason...

I do have stong opinions on some posters because they are giving all decent cyclists a bad name. Since I started cycling, 50 years ago, there have always been close overtakes and in 50 years time, there will still be close overtakes, it all depends on how we deal with them. If you have an slanging match with a motorist the he may think that we are all the same and may go out of his way to annoy other cyclists that he sees. Have you ever heard the phrase 'You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar'?

 

[goo_mason]

At least, I know where I live! You put your location down as 'Leith, Edinburgh'. Now why have you done this if Leith is not part of Edinburgh?

Oops - my mistake. I'd originally read that as 'I see you all live in Edinburgh'.. Perhaps English not being my native tongue and all that (although I do have an MA Hons in English Language & Linguitics )

 

[Bollo]

Hi Hippo.

For someone who claims to be a calm cyclist, you certainly let it all out on the pages of CC, don't you? Assuming a 'conservation of bilious energy' law or some-such, do you think you could fall out with the drivers of Bangkok at little more and project your nasty, self-important, joyless persona on this board a little less?

 

[mr_hippo]

Humour? More like wind-up - and not funny.

Using your example, the 'incident' is the close pass - which could not have been choreographed - and this is what the discussion has been about. What happens after that is almost an irrelevance. Try to stay on topic.

It's not often that you are right but you are wrong yet again! Part of the whole incident was the 'close' overtake which happens thousands of times a day.

 

[col]

That nicely describes the level of your arguments.



I know it's a cheap shot - but what the hell..........

Thats ok Im used to cheap from some here

Drama queen. Defending a cyclist for shaking his head at an idiot driver is fine.

Oo I thay

 

[boydj]

It's not often that you are right but you are wrong yet again!

Now you've hurt my feelings

But you're not winning the argument

 

[mr_hippo]

Hi Hippo.

For someone who claims to be a calm cyclist, you certainly let it all out on the pages of CC, don't you? Assuming a 'conservation of bilious energy' law or some-such, do you think you could fall out with the drivers of Bangkok at little more and project your nasty, self-important, joyless persona on this board a little less?

Why should I fall out with drivers in Bangkok or anywhere else for that matter?
I ride on the public highway which is shared by all classes of vehicles and, unless I am mistaken, you have a similar arrangement in the UK. Some posters who ride bicycles on this forum - please note that I did not call them cyclists because they are not - seem to have a 'victim mentality' and think that all other road users are out to get them.
Close overtakes have always happened and they always will so let’s have a law drawn up to stop it happening. That’s a brilliant idea, we have laws against murder but has that stopped people getting murdered?
Send all ‘close overtake’ videos to the police – ever heard about the boy who cried wolf? When the novelty wears off, they will get ignored.
“You can catch more flies with sugar/honey than with vinegar” Try using sugar/honey – it works or would you prefer to make a scene? If you want to make a scene, please carry a red nose with you, the British public love street theatre!
“But I had right of way/priority.” Sorry you do not have ‘right of way’, you do have priority in certain situations but… What’s the point in putting yourself in danger? How much time will you lose if you slow down a bit to avoid an incident?
How do you people react to similar situations – like people bumping into you in the street or crashing into you with a supermarket trolley? Do you go into a rage or meekly mumble “It’s OK.”?
Enjoy your cycling; don’t stress yourselves out with these petty situations.

Bollo, love your nickname and hope that you are not familiar with Spanish slang.

 

[Sh4rkyBloke]

Close overtakes have always happened and they always will so let’s have a law drawn up to stop it happening. That’s a brilliant idea, we have laws against murder but has that stopped people getting murdered?
Send all ‘close overtake’ videos to the police – ever heard about the boy who cried wolf? When the novelty wears off, they will get ignored.

You really are a prize prat.

 

[Bollo]

Why should I fall out with drivers in Bangkok or anywhere else for that matter?

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“You can catch more flies with sugar/honey than with vinegar” Try using sugar/honey – it works or would you prefer to make a scene? If you want to make a scene, please carry a red nose with you, the British public love street theatre!

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How do you people react to similar situations – like people bumping into you in the street or crashing into you with a supermarket trolley? Do you go into a rage or meekly mumble “It’s OK.”

You really can't see the irony can you petal? For someone who parades their learning and wisdom across these pages with monotonous regularity, you really are quite dense. I could ask the question, "Why would you want to insult someone's birthplace?" or "Why do you feel the need to belittle someone for their grammatical mistakes?". Is this forum some form of Violent Passion Surrogate for you?

Close overtakes have always happened and they always will so let’s have a law drawn up to stop it happening. That’s a brilliant idea, we have laws against murder but has that stopped people getting murdered?

Non-argument. Laws and their associated punishments act as a deterrence. Make the effort petal.

Send all ‘close overtake’ videos to the police – ever heard about the boy who cried wolf? When the novelty wears off, they will get ignored.

Ever heard of this. That's me hitting the side of the Volvo. I'm sure you'll come up with some reason why I'm to blame, but trust me on this, I stood no chance. I also didn't get the chance to cry wolf - the attending police weren't interested and the driver wasn't cautioned. All I got from the ambulanceman was a lecture on cycle helmets. And this is the problem. Many cyclists on this forum (BTW petal, cycling isn't some exclusive club with you as membership secretary) don't want new laws, they want their existing rights and existing laws to be recognised. They also want some recognition that, just because they choose to ride a bike instead of drive, they're still human beings.

How do you people react to similar situations – like people bumping into you in the street or crashing into you with a supermarket trolley? Do you go into a rage or meekly mumble “It’s OK.”?

How did I react to the driver who hit me? Just before I went in the ambo, he came over and apologised. I accepted his apology as best I could (I was in shock) and told him not to worry about it. I won't pretend I wasn't annoyed, but he was a decent guy who had made a mistake. And who on here hasn't made the odd mistake (even if its grammatical, eh petal?). But in most cyclists' experience, this is the exception rather than the rule and we find ourselves cast as the villian on the roads, in the press and occasionally on this forum.

Now, I believe that the use helmet cams as a campaigning tool is limited at best, but is unlikely to do any harm. I don't tend to post most day-to-day incidents, but don't have a problem if others choose to do so. I have a camera because, in the unlikely event that I'm spread across the road like Bollo-jam and the driver is shown to be at fault, I want my wife and child to receive sufficient compensation to replace the financial contribution I make to the household. Isn't that fair enough?

 

[col]

You really are a prize prat.

He talks reality and sense. I suppose the cyclists mindset of some real hardcore cycling peeps is so fixed it cant see the real life situation, and tries to force the idealists ways on to the roads. Wake up its not going to happen with a handfull of rightious cyclists being awkward.