Incident on A8 in Edinburgh

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Ste T.

Guru
http://www.bbc.co.uk...-essex-12785085


Insp Steve Brewer said after the hearing:"The collision itself was relatively minor... Tony Smith failed to see Ms Chaplin on her bike until it was too late.

"This crash highlights the need for drivers of all vehicles to take extra care at junctions."



Makes a nice change to the usual " This highlights the need for cyclists to wear bright clothing" putting the blame on the victim.
 

pshore

Well-Known Member
It is terrible to see a headline that (cyclist punching driver) but I can imagine a different slant on this story.

I can remember when I first started commuting, the close overtakes felt too close and it was like someone had just taken a shot at me with a gun. The body reacts by pumping adrenaline through your body for the next 30-60 seconds. In this period, you are effectively in fight or flight mode and your reaction is natural and unplanned. Luckily I never had the situation where I caught a driver up in that andrenalised state but I have always wondered what I might have done.

Experience and self training has allowed me to brush off close overtakes more easily now. But I can imagine that others must have experienced the same natural body reaction, and maybe this punching incident is one of those situations. For a normal driver, they will not be able to begin understanding this reaction.
 

Tynan

Veteran
Location
e4
never an excuse to attack a woman if you're a man, never mind punching them in the face

if we accept that she was punched in the face, she has an injury after all, then the cyclist is an peanut
 

Amanda P

Legendary Member
We do only have one side of the story.

It's possible to imagine (screen goes wavy, harp music...)...

...that there was a mobile altercation - perhaps after a close pass, there was an exchange of gestures, followed by the driver threatening to hit the cyclist with her car, and maybe managing actually to do so.

Fearing she's done some damage, maybe she stops to check.

Meanwhile, the cyclist, thinking he's dealing with someone quite willing to kill him (it is someone who's just driven a tonne of metal at him, after all), finds the car door opening and gets his defence in first. Maybe he never realises he's dealing with a woman at all.

(and back to reality...)

Misunderstandings all round. But we're hearing the woman driver's pre-emptive version of the story, in which she of course is entirely blameless - except that she "thinks" she hit him.

Let's not get so far carried away with this "it's never defensible to hit a woman" idea that we forget nobody should be hitting anyone, of either sex, with their fists or with a car, either negligently or deliberately.

(In fact, I think you could argue that, of the two, hitting someone with a fist in a fit of temper is probalby a lesser crime than hitting someone negligently with a large, fast-moving vehicle - against which there is little option for self-defence. I'm not making this argument, just mentioning it).

But if it's me getting hit, I'd much rather it was the fist.
 

snorri

Legendary Member
Insp Steve Brewer said after the hearing:"The collision itself was relatively minor... Tony Smith failed to see Ms Chaplin on her bike until it was too late.
"This crash highlights the need for drivers of all vehicles to take extra care at junctions."
Makes a nice change to the usual " This highlights the need for cyclists to wear bright clothing" putting the blame on the victim.

The message from the policeman is good, but the message from the court is limp-wristed to say the least. Killer gets driving ban and 100 hour community service.:sad: :sad: :sad:
 

Jezston

Über Member
Location
London
The only other side of the story i could expect to justify the cyclists actions would be if she'd pulled a gun on him.
 

ferret fur

Well-Known Member
Location
Roseburn
looks like they may have caught the alledged perp:
http://edinburghnews...tack.6754315.jp

This line made me give a wry smile
Victim Diane McKain was driving along the westbound carriageway of the A8 when a cyclist fell off his bike while trying to kick her car.
 
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