Is Kona Hoss still worth to buy? looking for advice as a big guy.

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chris667

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I personally don't think the Kona Hoss was massively overbuilt but definitely overbuilt but have seen stronger hardtails.
Bikes designed for different disciplines of riding need a different design. The Saracen Xile you mentioned above was a dirt jump bike. It was marketed at kids who wanted to spend hours jumping off unsuitable things. Of course it would be stronger than a bike designed for cross country. I am surprised that someone who obviously spends so much time thinking about bikes hasn't considered this.

The Hoss was supposed to be an XC bike for heavier riders - see the Wayback Machine description of it from Kona's website here. A stronger frame than an XC bike (look at those massive square tubes!) and a much more forgiving riding position than any of its contemporaries. A heavy rider could well have damaged a lighter XC frame, and they would likely have found it uncomfortable in any case.

There will be plenty of examples of unused bikes out there - the road to hell is paved with good intentions. If OP can find one, a Hoss will be a good choice with the parts that were specified by the manufacturer - it was designed for a heavier rider who probably has less bike fitness. It's much more upright than an XC bike from the same period.

As to weight limits on modern MTBs - I strongly suspect the figure is pretty arbitrary, specified by the warranty department as much as design. You just don't hear of big people breaking mid-range bike frames very often - superlight stuff maybe, but that's not what we're discussing here.

Wheels fail, in the most part. This is because they're not usually not specced properly, and built by machine. Partly it's rider weight and distribution between front and back wheels, partly because inexperienced riders don't learn to unweight themselves over the bike when they go over potholes. In either case, this can be mitigated by choosing appropriate components. 36 spokes on the rear wheel, stronger spokes on the cassette side and stress relief and retensioning before the bike gets ridden on.
 
Bikes designed for different disciplines of riding need a different design. The Saracen Xile you mentioned above was a dirt jump bike. It was marketed at kids who wanted to spend hours jumping off unsuitable things. Of course it would be stronger than a bike designed for cross country. I am surprised that someone who obviously spends so much time thinking about bikes hasn't considered this.

The Hoss was supposed to be an XC bike for heavier riders - see the Wayback Machine description of it from Kona's website here. A stronger frame than an XC bike (look at those massive square tubes!) and a much more forgiving riding position than any of its contemporaries. A heavy rider could well have damaged a lighter XC frame, and they would likely have found it uncomfortable in any case.

There will be plenty of examples of unused bikes out there - the road to hell is paved with good intentions. If OP can find one, a Hoss will be a good choice with the parts that were specified by the manufacturer - it was designed for a heavier rider who probably has less bike fitness. It's much more upright than an XC bike from the same period.

As to weight limits on modern MTBs - I strongly suspect the figure is pretty arbitrary, specified by the warranty department as much as design. You just don't hear of big people breaking mid-range bike frames very often - superlight stuff maybe, but that's not what we're discussing here.

Wheels fail, in the most part. This is because they're not usually not specced properly, and built by machine. Partly it's rider weight and distribution between front and back wheels, partly because inexperienced riders don't learn to unweight themselves over the bike when they go over potholes. In either case, this can be mitigated by choosing appropriate components. 36 spokes on the rear wheel, stronger spokes on the cassette side and stress relief and retensioning before the bike gets ridden on.

I never considered the Xile a dirtjump bike as it has normal gears and a normal suspension fork and full brakes. It excelled as a hardtail mountain bike. I think they only mentioned dirtjump purely because they had overbuilt it so much. This is a typical dirtjump bike.

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I can see why mentioning the Xile could have weakened my point though as Saracen gave it a bit of a confusing description. So instead something else from Saracen which was a normal hardtail mountain bike I guess would be a better example. You can see all the strengthening they put in which I would say was superior to the Kona Hoss. However I still not sure I would recommend them today as getting very old now. I never had any issues with wheels but then they were 26" wheels with a high spoke count so really, really strong. Neither the Saracen or Kona Hoss gave me any issues for wheels but I only lightly went off-road anyway. For me it was more about low gearing, comfort and strength. Thinking about wheels its always been 700c/29" wheels that have given me issues. I'm not sure who made the Kona frames at the time but the Saracen frames were made by an up and coming Taiwanese manufacturer called Merida and they did a incredible job with the Saracen frames I feel. I still have my Saracen Xile and my Saracen Pylon. Yes 'Pylon' which again shows I think how they put strength above low weight. What sort of company would give their bike a name like Pylon today?


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