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itv "tonight"

Discussion in 'CycleChat Cafe' started by buggi, 26 Nov 2007.

  1. buggi

    buggi Bird Saviour

    Location:
    Solihull
    some poor woman on itv has been told when she has her baby it will be taken away... because of some problem she had about 10 years ago.

    Social Services are feckwits!
     
  2. Brock

    Brock Senior Member

    Location:
    Kent
    'Some problem'? Did she kill all her other children?
     
  3. OP
    OP
    buggi

    buggi Bird Saviour

    Location:
    Solihull
    no, she had a physical problem which they thought she was making up because of a psychological disorder. never proved. a few years later she had a tube fitted in her throat to breath through because she has a throat disorder, which she says is part of the problem which they never uncovered before. but the fact that they believed she was a hypochondriac or something means they reckon she's mental and so is going to harm her baby.

    another woman on there was in a violent marriage and had depression after because she found it hard to cope with. years later, when she was better, she fell pregnant and they took her baby away too.

    Basically, if you are depressed don't go to the doctors because it could come back and bite you in the arse later on in life.

    meanwhile, the heroin addicts, who are STILL addicts although now addicted to methodone, are allowed to keep theirs after being OFFERED fertility treatment, even tho others are turned down because they smoke or are overweight.
     
  4. Chris James

    Chris James Über Member

    Location:
    Huddersfield
    Mmm, when I saw the same programme I picked up on the fact that the woman had a history of self harm. I think the programme was a total pile of turd as they had virtually no input from the social services instead had saint like women who mysteriously had been ganged up on by the police, social sevrices and the judiciary to snatch their child. It might have been interesting if they had actually presented a balanced programme.

    Presumably when the self harming woman killed her first born then the social services would be the first to be criticised.
     
  5. Chris James

    Chris James Über Member

    Location:
    Huddersfield
    By the way, I know several women who have had post natal depression but not had their kids taken away so the point they tried to make about talking to a doc being a bad idea seemed far fetched to me.
     
  6. OP
    OP
    buggi

    buggi Bird Saviour

    Location:
    Solihull
    Sorry, i did miss what the physical problem was so yea i may have been talking out of my arse. but i can relate to the woman who was in a violent marriage. the point is, you can't punish someone for what they did in their teen years or if they've suffered depression because of a violent act. it's not right or fair. and to tell a woman to turn up at a hearing 3 days after giving birth having not been able to prepare a case is ludicrous! and self harming is exactly what it says on the tin. SELF harming

    anyway, social services had their chance to say something and they didn't say much.
     
  7. gbb

    gbb Legendary Member

    Location:
    Peterborough
    Without knowing the actual details of this case..(which is dangerous.. it leaves you vulnerable to being shot down..:sad: )...it makes me sick.

    The amount of parents ive seen in the last 30 years, who i wouldnt leave my dog with, let alone let them raise children...it astounds me you can make NO effort whatsoever, yet the State will close its eyes when it suits it.

    These are people who are actively rearing their children in a most god awful way, who dont give a monkeys fcuk what happens to them...and they get away with it.
    If...this is her first child, or she has never harmed any previous children....what possible reason can there be for SS to take them.
     
  8. Cathryn

    Cathryn California Correspondant

    It's pretty heart breaking isn't it. I do sympathise with social services, I feel they almost can't win...but from what we saw tonight (admittedly one sided cases) it felt a bit harsh.
     
  9. OP
    OP
    buggi

    buggi Bird Saviour

    Location:
    Solihull
    Exactly! that was the whole point of the programme. and bless the heroin addicts, even they were doing a good job, which proves everyone should be given a chance.
     
  10. Mister Paul

    Mister Paul Honky

    Location:
    North Somerset
    That's the problem. Family court is held in private. The press don't like this, so it doesn't bother them to only take one side of the story. And they'll argue one case by reminding everyone of the mistakes that have been made in the past.

    No child is removed from its parents by a social worker. It has to go through the courts. The judge makes a decision based on representation from all sides. The family will have had a solicitor, and there is also legal representation for the child, who looks at the issue from the child's point of view.

    It's not worth watching these programmes. As convincing as they look, it's never the full story.

    And unfortunately it's not the case that the state closes its eyes. There aren't enough resources made available for preventative work. What little there is is put into firefighting, by which time it's often too late to get the best outcome.
     
  11. Noodley

    Noodley Guest

    get you over to soapbox now...
     
  12. simon l& and a half

    simon l& and a half New Member

    Location:
    Streatham Hill
    there's an awful lot of people who know what's best for other people. Some of them become planning officers. Others go into child protection. Whatever the merits of the individual cases, the fact is that a lot of kids grow up in circumstances that are far from ideal - and it ill behoves officialdom to decide that a person cannot become a parent because they don't think that they're sufficiently middle class, or can't spell.

    The real downside is that social workers frequently place kids in greater jeopardy than they were in with their natural parent or parents.
     
  13. Noodley

    Noodley Guest

    and get you over to soapbox as well...:sad:
     
  14. OP
    OP
    buggi

    buggi Bird Saviour

    Location:
    Solihull
    oops. maybe i should have put it in soapbox. didn't realise it would be so heated!
     
  15. Noodley

    Noodley Guest

    You start with an OP which was not really too accurate, given later comments, and then finish was "social services are feckwits" and didn't think it would be so heated?

    You don't have any kids that require taken away from you, do you? :sad: