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Fnaar

Smutmaster General
Location
Thumberland
If I may share a sob story... redundancy was a kick in the nuts for me, 8yrs ago... I'd just published my second book (I work in education) and one week after publication of book #2, I lost my job. Spent a yr in a shoot alternative, then found a decent one up here in Newcastle... I will never trust an employer again though... I'm expendable, basically, and the ones that made me redundant, after 7 yrs (including many instances of seriously inconveniencing myself in order to keep the department going) truly did not give a sh!t... self-gratification artists.
 

jonny jeez

Legendary Member
Fnaar said:
If I may share a sob story... redundancy was a kick in the nuts for me, 8yrs ago... I'd just published my second book (I work in education) and one week after publication of book #2, I lost my job. Spent a yr in a shoot alternative, then found a decent one up here in Newcastle... I will never trust an employer again though... I'm expendable, basically, and the ones that made me redundant, after 7 yrs (including many instances of seriously inconveniencing myself in order to keep the department going) truly did not give a sh!t... self-gratification artists.

That's a good point Fnaar.

At the end of the day, they call it "work" ....not "fun" and you are spot on...we are ALL expendable...unless we are owners or shareholders...even then, for the right price, we can be "dropped".

It is Business after all, not friendship

If we are lucky we can find a role that allows us to be ourselves at work and not act as we think someone would wish us to act, just to get ahead.

Good luck to all that have a less than "good" time at work, I really wish you find happiness in your jobs soon.

Take care

Jonny
 

WeeE

New Member
Fnaar said:
If I may share a sob story... redundancy was a kick in the nuts for me, 8yrs ago... I'd just published my second book (I work in education) and one week after publication of book #2, I lost my job. Spent a yr in a shoot alternative, then found a decent one up here in Newcastle... I will never trust an employer again though... I'm expendable, basically, and the ones that made me redundant, after 7 yrs (including many instances of seriously inconveniencing myself in order to keep the department going) truly did not give a sh!t... self-gratification artists.

Yep. It makes all the bollocks about "motivation" "owning solutions", "leadership" "teamwork" - not to mention the concept of "career" look distinctly like just the flip side of particularly crude, Soviet or Mao-era communist brainwash, dunnit?

Getting made redundant sucks - as I got made redundant a couple of times early in life (in the big 80s recession) I was always a bit of a sceptic deep down, and yet the job I eventually thought of as "my" job, I enjoyed, and put a ton of unpaid-for energy into it for years. Getting (illegally and unapologetically) shafted there too put a serious dent in my willingness to trust people at all.

As for employers - being asked for "favours" - overtime at no notice, sacrificed meal breaks , extra whammy etc, I'm just absolutely unashamed to ask (1) how will doing X benefit me? and (2) yes, but how does it benefit me tangibly?

It's is as shocking to folks at work as if you just farted in reply, even if you remind them that they want you to provide an immediate, tangible benefit to the employer at some inconvenience to yourself, beyond the contract, and you're asking what they'll provide in return.

The answer is interesting - you're supposed to be "showing commitment" or being kind to your manager, feeling warm and fuzzy, or some other social virtue, in return for being able to bask in corporate approval and the opportunity to hope.

Nah. Happy to do the work, get paid, enjoy it if possible; but I never expect anything from an employer except to be used.
 

Fnaar

Smutmaster General
Location
Thumberland
WeeE said:
Getting made redundant sucks - as I got made redundant a couple of times early in life (in the big 80s recession) I was always a bit of a sceptic deep down, and yet the job I eventually thought of as "my" job, I enjoyed, and put a ton of unpaid-for energy into it for years. Getting (illegally and unapologetically) shafted there too put a serious dent in my willingness to trust people at all.

Yes, it was crap. And to be honest, it still kind of haunts me... the fact that I'm getting irate just thinking about it again speaks volumes... I had (have) three kids too, and no parents left to offer any kind of financial whatevers, and it was then that the real meaning of my responsibility to my family hit home... (well, the emotional responsibility was there from the time the first nipper popped out, but I mean the financial one, really... I'm still skint though!) ;)
 

WeeE

New Member
I know what you mean: even when you can see redundancy coming, even when it's strictly last-in-first-out (as it was for me many years ago) you still tend to think that if you had somehow shone more, they wouldn't have picked you.

My last job was a totally new kind of work for me (after (winning) horrendous dispute with previous employer) I was still training for the qualification and cramming in a few days work a week to pay the bills. They kept asking if I'd be available at the end of the second short contract; then three days before I was to start the third - sorry, no job after all. (This was a couple of weeks before the big crash, as it happened.);)

I kinda crashed, myself. However much you rationalise it, there's nothing quite like being told you're surplus to requirements to put a dent in your view of yourself as a capable person. (If I was crap at it, why did no-one bother to tell me...?) And I'd been too complacent and not got a back-up plan; in a cyclical industry (and a new one to me) I was out on my ear at precisely the wrong part of the cycle. I really lost my nerve, specially with the job market drying up - not even a bit of shelf-stacking to be had.

Months later I found out from an ex-colleague that, as well as all the temps, they'd sacked most of the permanent staff that same week. It was nothing to do with me as such. I wished to hell they'd bothered to tell me!

Of course, then I had to face the fact that really I beat myself up unnecessarily and ate away my own confidence (as well as my savings!).

Unfortunately, for me, the iron had already got cold, so to speak. Realising it was nothing really to do with me hasn't brought my nerve back. I suppose technically it's not redundancy, but it amounts to the same thing. And strange to say, redundancy doesn't get easier second or third time around.

You just gotta keep on keeping on.:rolleyes:
 
I got a new boss who did not like me and she trumped up some minor issues to be big and managed to get me sacked for gross misconduct! It was rushed through in a few days to get me out before I had been there a year at the point you can get them for unfair dismissal.
I did find a new job but was made redundant from that when the crunch hit as I had only been there 6 months. I have been scratching about for the last year doing what I can.

Point of telling you the above is that I now keep myself very detached from my work. Try to adopt that way and they can not get to you. Also I have come to value life outside work so much more and see what really is of value to me.

Secondly, if you can hang on in there then do but put some effort into finding an escape route. There always is one.
 

Mr Pig

New Member
jonny jeez said:
At the end of the day, they call it "work" ....not "fun" and you are spot on...we are ALL expendable.

Yip. They want blind loyalty but you're getting none in return. Most employers seem to like that, sadly.
 

WeeE

New Member
Over The Hill said:
Point of telling you the above is that I now keep myself very detached from my work. Try to adopt that way and they can not get to you. Also I have come to value life outside work so much more and see what really is of value to me.

Funny thing, innit - it's harder to be detached from it if you enjoy doing it. For the first time in my life, I'm thinking shelf-stacking or street-sweeping, as long as it pays the bills, looks more attractive than a "good" job.
 
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ttcycle

Cycling Excusiast
rant away guys this is what the thread for -mutual support- wrapping up at work so not able to fully read the posts but I don't beleive that 'we're one happy family' -bollocks, at work doesn't mean that I'm distrustful or awkward either but will have some philosophical thoughts to add later - maybe tommorow as tonight I will be at the Christmas party.
 

potsy

Rambler
Location
My Armchair
Where I work there are approx 160 shop floor workers,about 50 of us were taken off shifts therefore losing 20% of our pay,now all but my department are back on normal hours(11 people) we have had meetings with the manager,union,and operations manager but are still the only ones now affected.To make it laughable we are now being asked to work over-time on saturday mornings so that we can 'make our wages back up' as you can imagine we have told them where to shove it.
In the last year we have had our pension reduced,wages cut,and they wonder why morale is low,this week we have been given a gift of wine and biscuits as a 'morale booster' oh happy days. Rant over:smile:
 

Norm

Guest
An anti-rant rant?

"The Management" is not a unified body of haters-of-worker-bees. Beneath the dull grey suited exterior, they are, amazingly, humans. Treat them as such, speak with them, communicate with them and you might even get to like them.

I pulled up several people** at my last company (let's call it xx Ltd) who were saying "xx Ltd are peanuts". I asked them who this "xx Ltd" were. Introduce me to them and we could maybe go for a coffee or something. There is, of course, no such creature as "xx Ltd", it's a mythical beast invented by the dissatisfied as a target for their frustrations. Which are often frustrations at their own inabilities to walk out and find somewhere better to work.

I've been made redundant 9 times, I've asked for 3 of those and still chose to work in high-risk industries. I've also had to make many people redundant and there is no good way to do it. Give some people notice and they complain that they are demotivated and can't do their jobs. Give them pay in lieu and they complain they weren't warned about it. Some people will take it hard and will take it personally, no matter what has driven the job to be made redundant.

About the most certain thing with redundancies is that those who lose their jobs will, over time, realise that they are better off than those who stayed.

**Coincidentally, in tune with WW's Christmas Lunch thread, those same people were the ones who complained that "xx Ltd" never had any social events, then complained at the idea of joining the social club which I started, then complained about every event that we did hold without coming along to any of them. The same group also complained that "xx Ltd never tell us anything" then complained even louder when I started voluntary monthly departmental meetings because they were working so hard that they couldn't spare the 30 minutes (yeah, right!).

There are good managers out there and I'd ask anyone who thinks they have one to make their thoughts clear further up the chain. My last boss didn't appreciate me taking the department out for a dinner once a month but also could never quite bring himself to comment on the staff turnover dropping from 3 (as in everyone left within 4 months!) to zero (no-one left in 3 years).
 

jonny jeez

Legendary Member
Thats the point I guess I was trying to make...its work...not fun.
At the end of the day, never expect to be treated as a friend, the company is running a business and you are part of that, if the business changes, your part will have to too.

I've had positions at many levels of management and directorship and know what you are saying Norm, do your job and expect the rewards that are associated with that.

But dont "expect" anyone to do anything for you because they "like" you....unless you work in a very small organisation, which can be even trickier to navigate

If, at the end of the day, you dont like playing that game, then stick your own neck out and start your own buisness, It will show life and work in a whole new perspective
 
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