Learning a noisy musical instruments

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lazybloke

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The lad next door opted to learn the drums, at which point we we happy/lucky to discover the soundproofing was pretty good.

My daughter is learning piano, but yo save our own sanity we opted for a Korg with the all important headphone socket.
 

briantrumpet

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Devon & Die
When my daughter was learning the cornet we also faced neighbour issues. She tried using a mute but found it harder to play, so we agreed a timing schedule with the neighbour.

Practice mutes are very variable, and without a box of tricks can be rather demoralising, as the whole point of a brass instrument is making a nice noise. The Yamaha box of tricks on Silent Brass makes it sound good to the player.
 
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Yellow Fang

Yellow Fang

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Trombone would be my top tip, if he's big enough, and fancies something brassy. It's easy to get going (the embouchure is easier than trumpet), the instruments are cheap, they are still a shortage instrument, so players are always in demand, and they are used in pretty much every idiom.

Oh, and you can make rude noises with them.

The trombone has plenty to recommend it. You can play in an orchestra, a brass band, a Salvation Army band, a big band. It is not a very common instrument in rock and pop, but there gave been instances. And it's more portable than a piano or double bass.
 

icowden

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Surrey
I am keen for my son to learn a musical instrument when he gets a bit older. His gran would like him to play the cello, but I was thinking more trombone, or maybe the piano. When I was a boy I was in the Air Training Corps band, playing the trumpet, but I was rubbish at it. I found it hard to practise, because the neighbours complained. Anybody have any tips?

Ideally, a detached house ;-)

That said, most instruments now have a "quieter" method for practice.
For piano you can get a full hammer action keyboard and some headphones - the touch will be very similar to a piano.
You can get an electric drum kit.
Electric violin, cello, guitar etc

Brass and Woodwind are harder but there are some pretty clever digital mutes that work well for practice. Having a good relationship with your neighbours helps too.

Of course, as clever as all of these options are they are still different to playing a real acoustic instrument, but during the early learning phase they are good solution.
 

briantrumpet

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The trombone has plenty to recommend it. You can play in an orchestra, a brass band, a Salvation Army band, a big band. It is not a very common instrument in rock and pop, but there gave been instances. And it's more portable than a piano or double bass.

All of these things. Can be the most lyrical classical instrument, a full-on aural assault (in classical as well as other genres), ska, small or big band, as you say. Might be worth searching on Youtube for various examples, if you fancy selling the idea.



BTW, pBones (plastic) are really good to start with - cheap, light but robust. And lots of fun colours to choose from.
 

Cathryn

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Ukulele! Easy and fast to learn, super-versatile, a joy of an instrument!
 

icowden

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Surrey
I am keen for my son to learn a musical instrument when he gets a bit older. His gran would like him to play the cello, but I was thinking more trombone, or maybe the piano.
Some more food for thought.

What sort of boy is your son? To learn woodwind or brass requires a lot of effort and daily practice. PIano you can get away with not practicing if you have some aptitude but wind and brass require you to develop an embouchure. This is basically a daily lip muscle workout. If you don't do it - you don't get anywhere. A piano can sound reasonably nice quite quickly. Brass and Strings usually (especially violins) take at least a year before you can listen without flinching. Guitar you can also get away with a lot but you do need to build up some finger callus.

What does the future look like? A big plus of the piano is that people always need a pianist. It's easy to pick up extra £ at school or uni by accompanying people. Also learning the piano first, makes it easier to learn other instruments due to the complexity of learning to coordinate your left and right hands. I learned piano, then trumpet, then cello, then pipe organ with singing overlaid. I was retired from Cello as my parents ran out of money for lessons on that many instruments that I wasn't really practicing!

Take your boy to a music shop (if you can find one) and let him try some different instruments - he may get some opportunity to do that at school as well.

Finally, there are lots of good online resources for learning instruments, but a good teacher is still the best way. And it has to be a good teacher who clicks with your son. If he hates the lessons, the chances are you just have the wrong teacher. Find a different one - don't blame the child. We all learn differently and teachers teach differently. Some have not moved on from the Victorian period style of teaching. I was very lucky that my first teacher let me jazz up my pieces as long as I could also play them properly for her. My next teacher was awful. A Czech witch who would clip your nails and whack your hand with a ruler and only let me learn Fanny Waterman books (dire). I nearly quit at that point but my mum found me a different, more relaxed teacher who again encouraged me to both do exams but also to have fun with the piano. I've been playing for 45 out of 50 years now and do professional accompanying as well as a bit of cocktail piano etc.
 

lazybloke

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Leafy Surrey
Ukulele! Easy and fast to learn, super-versatile, a joy of an instrument!
A colleague for several years (at a previous job) used to play for the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain. Don't know how she got into IT!

Will buy tickets, one of these days.
 
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Yellow Fang

Yellow Fang

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Some more food for thought.

What sort of boy is your son? To learn woodwind or brass requires a lot of effort and daily practice. PIano you can get away with not practicing if you have some aptitude but wind and brass require you to develop an embouchure. This is basically a daily lip muscle workout. If you don't do it - you don't get anywhere. A piano can sound reasonably nice quite quickly. Brass and Strings usually (especially violins) take at least a year before you can listen without flinching. Guitar you can also get away with a lot but you do need to build up some finger callus.

What does the future look like? A big plus of the piano is that people always need a pianist. It's easy to pick up extra £ at school or uni by accompanying people. Also learning the piano first, makes it easier to learn other instruments due to the complexity of learning to coordinate your left and right hands. I learned piano, then trumpet, then cello, then pipe organ with singing overlaid. I was retired from Cello as my parents ran out of money for lessons on that many instruments that I wasn't really practicing!

Take your boy to a music shop (if you can find one) and let him try some different instruments - he may get some opportunity to do that at school as well.

Finally, there are lots of good online resources for learning instruments, but a good teacher is still the best way. And it has to be a good teacher who clicks with your son. If he hates the lessons, the chances are you just have the wrong teacher. Find a different one - don't blame the child. We all learn differently and teachers teach differently. Some have not moved on from the Victorian period style of teaching. I was very lucky that my first teacher let me jazz up my pieces as long as I could also play them properly for her. My next teacher was awful. A Czech witch who would clip your nails and whack your hand with a ruler and only let me learn Fanny Waterman books (dire). I nearly quit at that point but my mum found me a different, more relaxed teacher who again encouraged me to both do exams but also to have fun with the piano. I've been playing for 45 out of 50 years now and do professional accompanying as well as a bit of cocktail piano etc.

He is only 16 months old at present. I am not sure if he will be musical or someone who can apply himself. What you say sounds like sense.
 
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Yellow Fang

Yellow Fang

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Reading
All of these things. Can be the most lyrical classical instrument, a full-on aural assault (in classical as well as other genres), ska, small or big band, as you say. Might be worth searching on Youtube for various examples, if you fancy selling the idea.



BTW, pBones (plastic) are really good to start with - cheap, light but robust. And lots of fun colours to choose from.


I noticed a plastic trombone in the local music shop, and a plastic trumpet.
 

briantrumpet

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Devon & Die
I noticed a plastic trombone in the local music shop, and a plastic trumpet.

The plastic trumpets aren't really so successful, but the trombones are a great way to get going.

That said you can get a passable metal starter trombone for not much, or a good second-hand Yamaha 3xx or 4xx series for a few hundred which would see anyone right the way through school and beyond - fantastic instruments.
 
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