Lifesaver....

[ACS]

Sorry I may have missed something here, over taking on the LHS which I am assuming the block head is doing is not permitted unless certain circumstances prevail;

...... you can "only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right" (rule 163). On all roads, undertaking is permitted if the vehicles in the lane to the right are queueing and slow moving.

Undertaking in an aggressive or reckless manner could be considered Careless Driving or more seriously Dangerous Driving, both of which are legally enforceable offences.

 

[redjedi]

I don't condone what the driver did, quite the opposite. I just don't see what all the fuss is about.

Mags is in the RH lane for two very good reason; it's the correct lane to be in and there are nasty poles over to the left.

But when ready to move back over to the left, all it takes is a look, signal, look and move when cleared. If someone's being an impatient pr*ck let them go and move in behind them.
No hassle, no fuss, no raised voices or head shaking, just get on with enjoying your ride.

It is a situation that does not need to be made dangerous by either party involved.

 

[magnatom]

Look at the time between my two looks to the left. On the first there was no car to see, on the second he was almost next to me. If you can't see how bad that driving is, I'm astonished. I'm posting from my phone just now, but I will happily link to Google maps later.

 

[As Easy As Riding A Bike]

I don't see what the driver did that was so wrong - you were in the offside lane, he in the nearside lane. He might have come from the wrong lane, and be a bit fast, but that's nothing unusual. Good lifesaver though, that stopped you making a very unfortunate or stupid lane change.

Mikey, it looks like Magnatom is waiting in the straight-on/right turn lane. As such, he is moving with the "normal" vehicular flow of traffic through the junction as he sets off.

The vehicle comes steaming out of nowhere from the left turn only lane. Or he was behind Magnatom, and is doing a pretty reckless undertake at speed.

 

[ComedyPilot]

Certainly worth reporting for a N/S overtake as you were in an ahead only lane indicating left to move over once clear of the junction.

 

[Bird Brain]

I thought it was an awful undertake.Seemed too fast to me.

 

[As Easy As Riding A Bike]

You were safe in the offside lane, once he's past then you could equally safely change lanes as you wanted to. MSM and all that.

As far as I can tell, there is no "offside" lane through the junction. There is only one "lane" through the junction, as the left hand lane at the lights is for left turn only.

The road opens out into two lanes after the junction.

I think that might clarify why Magnatom was so startled by the manoeuvre.

 

[boydj]

I think there are a couple of points that make this overtake really bad :
1. All the traffic behind the cyclist would be expecting the cyclist to move left at the earliest opportunity, so there's a bit of pressure to move over - even if the cars behind are being patient. Having clearly checked and signalled, the cars behind would know what the cyclist was doing.
2. The driver of this vehicle has clearly ignored a signal from the cyclist in his impatience to undertake not only the bike, but probably other cars as well.

This is a fast moving primary route in the centre of Glasgow, so I'm sure that the cyclist has his strategy well thought out so it's just as well he's aware of the possibility of impatient numpties trying it on.

While I understand the reasons for not using the ASL, I think in this instance the ASL gives the cyclist the opportunity to get into the left-hand lane as soon as he is clear of the path of left-turning vehicles - and possibly before the potholes come into play. That's the way I tackle a similar junction in my own commute. Having said that, the biggest fright I've had in the last few years was an almost identical undertake by an idiot in a landrover who had hammered down the inside of queuing traffic to go straight on from the left-filter lane - made worse by the guy trying to beat the front of the traffic in the right lane to get past parked cars 30 yards beyond the junction.

 

[BentMikey]

You wouldn't expect to let a car change lanes into your path just because it was indicating. Magnatom is indicating, and yet he needs to wait till the lane is clear just like anyone else. How often do we read about cyclists complaining how car drivers fail MSM?

 

[magnatom]

quick question. Do you think my reaction was real or fake?

 

[BentMikey]

Oh, I don't doubt that he surprised and shocked you. Is that due to both his speed and unexpected appearance, and your observation perhaps? Your first glance seemed a little on the cursory side to me, and I'm allowing for eye movement on top of head and camera movement. It seemed both a short glance rather than a full look, and I'm not sure you looked much beyond what would be your nearside blind spot.

I hope you don't think I'm being excessively harsh - I usually think you're right, and I usually fight your corner. It's the specifics of this situation that have me thinking otherwise this time.

 

[magnatom]

BM, I never think you are being harsh, wrong, but not harsh!

You are wrong about my looks back though. I'll explain. Now that I am on the PC I can fill this out a bit more.

I have been very aware from day 1 about the risk at this junction. This is the junction here.

The left lane is filter only. There is a central feeder to an ASL, and a single lane that is forward only. Beyond the junction it splits into two lanes. In this image you can see the 'pothole' across the two lanes just beyond the junction. It is significantly worse in the left hand lane so I go for the gentler right lane. In fact my ideal line is to be in the process of changing lanes at the 'pothole' as the smoothest surface is just to the left of the lane divider.

I don't use the feeder and ASL for two reasons. The main reason is because I have quite often seen drivers hange their mind here and move over into the left lane (and turn left), even after having stopped at the lights The other is that the lanes aren't the widest and there are usually buses turning left here. It would be very tight is a bus passed on your left when in that lane.

I have always been wary of cars skipping up the left as I cross the junction. I realised the first time that I rode this that I needed to keep a close eye on my left hand side. My first look left was actually quite a big one (and always is very intentionally)and allows me to see if cars are approaching the junction in the left filter It also serves to let following cars know that I am thinking of moving over. As soon as I finish that look I indicate. My second less significant look is my check that nothing idiotic has sneaked up before I move over.

The more I think about this (and this is me being honest), I am sure that there was a car stationary behind me when the lights were red. I am fairly sure this was not a pick-up. Taking into account the speed that the pickup passed me, I am fairly certain that it must have went straight on at the left feeder.

I can't honestly remember if I saw anything in the filter lane with my first look, but I do remember thinking to have a good look. I can only assume that as my spidey sense didn't kick in that I didn't see anything untoward. This to me suggests that if he was indeed in the filter that he was a good way back at my first glance. Thus he must have been moving at a fair pace all the way and not part of the original queue, possibly having seen a ';bl**dy' cyclist up ahead. He is certainly going well above the 30mph limit after he passes me.

So, it would seem that he steamed up a left filter only lane, continued up other car's left and my left despite the fact that it was obvious that I was about to move left and continued on with complete disregard.

Yes, there is some onus on me checking my left and moving over. The fact that I am still here to talk about it confirms that that is exactly what I did.

Any questions!?

 

[magnatom]

As far as I can tell, there is no "offside" lane through the junction. There is only one "lane" through the junction, as the left hand lane at the lights is for left turn only.

The road opens out into two lanes after the junction.

I think that might clarify why Magnatom was so startled by the manoeuvre.

This is confirmed when you look at the dirt on the road on google map view.

 

[Tynan]

one of the worse frights I had when i rode a scooter was seeing someone coming up behind me very fast while I was in the right hand lane of the North Circ, I indicated to move over and started to go, a life saver told me that the car had not only not slowed down, it had accelerated to pass me on the inside before I moved over, very nasty fright and only a proper last second look saved me

passing on the inside through a lane marked against that is nasty, at speed is dangerous, speed makes accidents in lots of situations as it makes other people manouvres fail

 

[HLaB]

The only time I can remember being undertaken was at this junction (coming from the north west) (I don't know when that picture was taken I've never seen it queue free) Like Maggers I have to be in the outside lane before the lights but after the lights is always queued to turn right (I go straight) and hence I move to the left lane. I done the usual life safer it was clear so I moved over to the primary (in the inside lane). When suddenly I here a noise coming at me fast (Oh sh1t there's no room); it was just a bl00dy moped but it scare the bejesus out of me. After undertaking mr the prat immediately cuts right in front of me undertakes the car and turns parallel with the lead car!