Bobby Mhor
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[QUOTE 3037308, member: 1314"]Very few women:
WALSH, Catherine 1828 14 Apr Murder of her child; old bailey
A separate crime of Infanticide was brought in to deal with women killing their children, I believe, later that century - a recognition of post-birth trauma - and the 'punishment' would've been the asylum I suppose.[/QUOTE]
Women always got a rough deal, many were also driven to crime just to support their families. Even the most petty crimes were considered serious. Also up until 1828 there was the crime of "Petty Treason". This reasoned that if a Woman kiled her husband it was an offence against her betters and hence the social structure through to the King.
Petty Treason carried the same penalties as High Treason.
... and even later the system worked against women
In the 18th Century there was an active campaign to deport women to Australia for the most minor offences. Unbelievably in this day and age they were part of a policy to get more women to Australia to offer "services" and intended as "breeding stock" to populate the Australian. The book "The Floating Brothel" by Sian Rees is a difficult, but superb read on this subject
WALSH, Catherine 1828 14 Apr Murder of her child; old bailey
A separate crime of Infanticide was brought in to deal with women killing their children, I believe, later that century - a recognition of post-birth trauma - and the 'punishment' would've been the asylum I suppose.[/QUOTE]
Women always got a rough deal, many were also driven to crime just to support their families. Even the most petty crimes were considered serious. Also up until 1828 there was the crime of "Petty Treason". This reasoned that if a Woman kiled her husband it was an offence against her betters and hence the social structure through to the King.
Petty Treason carried the same penalties as High Treason.
... and even later the system worked against women
In the 18th Century there was an active campaign to deport women to Australia for the most minor offences. Unbelievably in this day and age they were part of a policy to get more women to Australia to offer "services" and intended as "breeding stock" to populate the Australian. The book "The Floating Brothel" by Sian Rees is a difficult, but superb read on this subject
Bobby Mhor
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[QUOTE 3037345, member: 1314"]Thanks for that...
'William Marwood caused a sensation in Dumbarton when he submitted his expenses to the local council. He claimed for a dozen bottles of beer, two bottles of whisky and brandy, a bottle of sherry, and a bottle of port, most of which, he said, he drank on the morning of the execution.'
Blimey.[/QUOTE]
If you visited Dumbarton...
you'd be the same
'William Marwood caused a sensation in Dumbarton when he submitted his expenses to the local council. He claimed for a dozen bottles of beer, two bottles of whisky and brandy, a bottle of sherry, and a bottle of port, most of which, he said, he drank on the morning of the execution.'
Blimey.[/QUOTE]
If you visited Dumbarton...
you'd be the same
What do you expect for a Vampyre?
RedRider
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Comic Sans too but those ne'er do wells were executed on the spot and never got the chance to scrape their names on death row walls. Rightly so.
alans
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Coins were produced by The Royal Mint & therefore the property of the Monarch.Clipping them was in effect stealing from the King/Queen.
NormanD
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I watched Timothy Spall play Albert Pierrepoint in "The Last Hangman" .. it's rather a good film
[QUOTE 3037299, member: 1314"]The brickwork looks so modern and the graffiti so dignified in font. Guess the literate at the time would've been well versed in writing.[/QUOTE]
I had an interesting discussion in an old Abbey about graffiti.
It was certainly more refined, but it is also difficult in some cases to sort out a "maker's mark" from graffiti.
The other question was whether (if ever) graffiti becomes a historical document.
One case in point was a carving on a tomb of a young couple before he went to the Civil War and was killed at Naseby (IIRC).
She never married and became a spinster living to a ripe old age.
Is this a record of their history... or still wanton vandalism?
I had an interesting discussion in an old Abbey about graffiti.
It was certainly more refined, but it is also difficult in some cases to sort out a "maker's mark" from graffiti.
The other question was whether (if ever) graffiti becomes a historical document.
One case in point was a carving on a tomb of a young couple before he went to the Civil War and was killed at Naseby (IIRC).
She never married and became a spinster living to a ripe old age.
Is this a record of their history... or still wanton vandalism?
Beebo
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The pub near tower hill, is called the Hung Draw and Quartered.
This is the sign on the side of pub. Fantastic understatement from Pepys.
swee'pea99
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God, googling around following up stuff from that list ("LOWE, Edward 1827 22 Nov Coining (the last coiner drawn on a sledge to a scaffold)"... yes, it turns out coiners were brought to the scaffold on an open sledge through the streets) does take you to some weird and decidedly unwonderful stuff, eg:
classic33
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You've not heard of King Davy then!
From down ColinJ's nec o'woods.
classic33
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[QUOTE 3037578, member: 1314"] Last one, I promise. Blimey, the stories. I'm gonna write a book.
BISHOP, John 1831 05 Dec Murder of poor italian boy; old bailey
WILLIAMS, Thomas 1831 05 Dec Murder of poor italian boy; old bailey
... a body snatcher named Bishop, and another scoundrel called Williams... had decoyed the poor [Italian] boy to a hovel in Nova Scotia Gardens, Bethnal Green, and had then drugged him with rum and laudanum, and drowned him in a well. At King's College they had asked twelve guineas for the body, and Bishop owned to having sold from 500 to 1,000 bodies, and to two other murders.
From: 'Newgate ', Old and New London: Volume 2 (1878), pp. 441-461. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=45114 Date accessed: 20 April 2014.[/QUOTE]
There's already a few out there.
Out of curiosity, whats your weitght and height?
BISHOP, John 1831 05 Dec Murder of poor italian boy; old bailey
WILLIAMS, Thomas 1831 05 Dec Murder of poor italian boy; old bailey
... a body snatcher named Bishop, and another scoundrel called Williams... had decoyed the poor [Italian] boy to a hovel in Nova Scotia Gardens, Bethnal Green, and had then drugged him with rum and laudanum, and drowned him in a well. At King's College they had asked twelve guineas for the body, and Bishop owned to having sold from 500 to 1,000 bodies, and to two other murders.
From: 'Newgate ', Old and New London: Volume 2 (1878), pp. 441-461. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=45114 Date accessed: 20 April 2014.[/QUOTE]
There's already a few out there.
Out of curiosity, whats your weitght and height?
classic33
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Be greatful you didn't live in Halifax http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Gibbet
"If a felon be taken within their liberty or precincts of the said forest [the Forest of Hardwick], either handhabend [caught with the stolen goods in his hand or in the act of stealing], backberand [caught carrying stolen goods on his back], or confessand [having confessed to the crime] cloth or any other commodity to the value of 13½d, that they shall after three market days or meeting days within the town of Halifax after such his apprehension, and being condemned he shall be taken to the gibbet and there have his head cut off from his body."
"If a felon be taken within their liberty or precincts of the said forest [the Forest of Hardwick], either handhabend [caught with the stolen goods in his hand or in the act of stealing], backberand [caught carrying stolen goods on his back], or confessand [having confessed to the crime] cloth or any other commodity to the value of 13½d, that they shall after three market days or meeting days within the town of Halifax after such his apprehension, and being condemned he shall be taken to the gibbet and there have his head cut off from his body."
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