London cabbies (again)

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Molecule Man

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London
Am I just experiencing a statistical anomaly, or are London cabbies getting worse?

I used to have a fairly positive view of them as being very skilled drivers who have a good idea of what's going on on the road, and who generally get the point of assertive cycling. They might cut things fine a bit sometimes, but could pull it off okay and were doing so to get on as quickly as possible. I've had few problems with them over the last 5 years, maybe a couple of incidents a year.

However, I've had three incidents in the last fortnight where a taxi driver has behaved with pure bloody-minded obnoxiousness. Maybe the state of the economy is getting them all stressed, maybe I'm just unlucky, I don't know.

1. I was coming into town on the Old Kent Road today, at a point just before where two lanes broaden out to four (one left, three straight ahead, the junction with Albany Road for locals). I was going straight on, so I was in the middle of the left lane, right behind a van who was signalling left. A cabbie pulled up alongside and started shouting and swearing at me to keep left. I tried to stay calm, didn't swear, just shouted that I was going straight on, not left. He kept on at me and at the lights I was in the left-hand straight-on lane behind a bus, he was in the middle straight-on lane, ahead of me by now, and still ranting away. After the lights there's plenty of room to filter safely, so I told him to have a nice day as I passed and he never caught up with me all the way into town.

2. Last week I was coming south through Covent Garden (Bow St./Wellington St.), where the streets are quite narrow and busy. I was right behind a car, a taxi right behind me, the car in front stopped at a pedestrian crossing, I slowed and stopped a bit further back to let a van pull out from the left, the taxi driver objected to this, beeped his horn and overtook me quite aggressively to block the space I had left for the van. So he managed to cut up me and another driver, and make himself look like a petulant prick, just to jump one space ahead in the queue.

3. Almost the same place as above (Endell St. just before Long Acre), I was right behind one taxi, in line with the driver's seat as the roads are too narrow to overtake without changing lanes, and there wasn't any space in front of me anyway. The taxi behind overtook, forcing me to brake to prevent him hitting me. He wasn't going any faster than me though, so I was right behind him until the pedestrian crossing, where I tried to explain how inconsiderate he had been, but I confess I lost it a bit and wasn't very convincing (I was tired, I swore, he claimed victory because of that).
 

LOGAN 5

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I have problems with them on every commute, every day.

I agree their attitude has gotten a lot worse over recent years. I've been commuting in London for many years and can't really recall having a significant number of incidents with them on a regular basis before. However, I do now. They seem to enjoy gunning for cyclists. If they get the chance to cut me up/off/overtake/squeeze by/hoot/swerve/block the cycle lane deliberately etc then they will and frequently do.

Very little one can do to control their behaviour as it's very deliberate and intentional. No amount of road positioning is going to keep them at bay for any length of road space/time for as soon as they get that tiny gap they're in it swerving past. One did just that this morning to gain just 3 yards before I overtook him again leaving him in his traffic jam.

Being forewarned though is being forearmed I suppose and I expect them to drive badly so am neither surprised nor disappointed when they do. At least if one knows they're going to try dodgy manoeuvres one can look out for it and be prepared. You can't stop them but at least you know they're going to do something foolish/dangerous/inadviseable/plain stupid/unnecessary to get past.
 
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Molecule Man

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London
It's still relatively rare for me to have problems (mind you I don't cover that much distance in proper central london)

There is another thing I've been noticing lately, a tendency to very rigidly stick to the bus/taxi/bike lane, so that they will squeeze by me as much inside the lane as possible, even if the adjacent lane is empty. It's like they feel the need to assert their right to use the bus lane, even if it isn't necessary.

I used to think taxi drivers were among the best drivers on the roads (mind you that was whe I lived in Edinburgh!).
 

mr_cellophane

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Location
Essex
Slightly off-topic, but it explains cab drivers mentality.
I read an article about why taxis seem to vanish when it is raining, etc.
The average cabbie sets out each day with the aim of earning a certain amount of money. When it rains, tube strike, etc they earn that amount quicker so all bugger off home. No thought that, if I earn twice as much today, I can take tomorrow off. :wacko:
 
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Molecule Man

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London
What a strange statement in that article:
"He said the council monitors taxi drivers and have made no complaint against him and he had not driven away from the scene, but the cyclist had followed him instead."
 

swee'pea99

Squire
I've always defended black cabbies, and have to say that I have very little problem with them on my daily 7-8 mile commute into the centre of London, but as it happens I was idly looking out of my window yesterday as one reversed out of a side turning - no other traffic moving, no pressure, no nothing - and just as I suddenly thought 'he's getting a bit close to that van isn't he?' there was quite a loud thump. He'd reversed straight into it. Bizarre. Old feller. Very apologetic. WVM didn't appear to give a monkeys, end of. A genuine first tho' - whatever else, I've always thought them *competent*.
 
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Molecule Man

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Location
London
Yes, I have always tried to stay positive about cabbies. I must pass or be passed by hundreds every week with no problems and occasional stand-out examples of kindness and courtesy. I just hope I've been unlucky recently and things will get back to normal.
 
It might just be the random nature of these things (i.e. the three bus at once principle). It probably all balances out. I've had the quietest (best) two weeks of commuting I have ever had. Not a single incident I can think of. Long may it continue.......
 

Trillian

New Member
LOGAN 5 said:
I have problems with them on every commute, every day.

Very little one can do to control their behaviour as it's very deliberate and intentional. No amount of road positioning is going to keep them at bay for any length of road space/time for as soon as they get that tiny gap they're in it swerving past.

pannier mounted RPG's ought to sort them out :smile:
 

leoc

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Location
London
I've always consoled myself with the opinion that taxies are the majority of the traffic on the roads I cycle (central london especially at night) and therefore an incident with a cabbie is more likely than another type of vehicle by sheer number. Try counting how many cabbies behave themselves and hopefully there'll be more of those too.
 

SecretSam

New Member
mr_cellophane said:
Slightly off-topic, but it explains cab drivers mentality.
I read an article about why taxis seem to vanish when it is raining, etc.
The average cabbie sets out each day with the aim of earning a certain amount of money. When it rains, tube strike, etc they earn that amount quicker so all bugger off home. No thought that, if I earn twice as much today, I can take tomorrow off. :rofl:

It's an interesting psychological thingy...I read an article about this behaviour, which argued it was 'stupid' - when the money's rolling in, you should work long hours and make the most of it, when money's scarce, pack it in and go home...that's how economics and psychology would suggest a rational being would behave.

The fact that cabbies do the opposite suggests they are irrational. QED.
 
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Molecule Man

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London
rootes said:
I find black can drivers fine... it bus drivers that are the issue

Actually, I seem to be experiencing an improvement in bus driver behaviour recently. Maybe it depends on the route?
 
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