Lorry and bike 'can share road'

[Cab]

However they do have wonderful cycle roads, so there has to be a degree of connection between the quality of a facility and the number of users.

All post boxes are red. Traffic lights are sometimes red. There must be some connection.

 

[Brains]

All post boxes are red. Traffic lights are sometimes red. There must be some connection.

?????

If you build a good and decent facility of any sort (think say of a public swimming pool) then you will of course get more custom that if you build a cheap and dangerous facility.

Basis traffic lights and post boxes - Pools contain water, so does the Thames, you could swim in both. There must be a connection




NOT!

 

[BentMikey]

If you build a good and decent facility of any sort (think say of a public swimming pool) then you will of course get more custom that if you build a cheap and dangerous facility.

And yet that is a wrong assumption. I recall reading about a study that found the opposite. Anyone here recall the link?

Have you read through the link I posted earlier, Brains?

 

[dondare]

And yet that is a wrong assumption. I recall reading about a study that found the opposite. Anyone here recall the link?

Have you read through the link I posted earlier, Brains?

Was the study specific to cycle-lanes or a was it a general one?

I must say that I am disappointed with the cyclists around Bloomsbury, most of whom ride in the genuinely appalling lanes instead of using the road properly.

 

[Chris James]

Not sure if anyone else picked up on it, but I am intrigued by the language used on the BBC report:

'The aim is to educate both groups about the dangers they pose to each other.'

What danger does a cyclist pose to a truck?

 

[Lazy-Commuter]

Not sure if anyone else picked up on it, but I am intrigued by the language used on the BBC report:

'The aim is to educate both groups about the dangers they pose to each other.'

What danger does a cyclist pose to a truck?

It takes ages to clean afterwards?

 

[indiana jones]

Was the study specific to cycle-lanes or a was it a general one?

I must say that I am disappointed with the cyclists around Bloomsbury, most of whom ride in the genuinely appalling lanes instead of using the road properly.

So how do they use the road properly?

 

[Cab]

?????

If you build a good and decent facility of any sort (think say of a public swimming pool) then you will of course get more custom that if you build a cheap and dangerous facility.

Yet the stats do not bear out the claim that these 'decent' facilities are safer.

Basis traffic lights and post boxes - Pools contain water, so does the Thames, you could swim in both. There must be a connection




NOT!

Your argument is based on the fallacy that the presence of cycle lanes makes the lot of cyclists safer; the evidence is that cycle lanes do not achieve this. Hence the post box analogy. You claimed that the cycle lanes must be linked to a better attitude to cyclists, there is no basis for believing that.

 

[Cab]

So how do they use the road properly?

At the risk of coming across as a cliche, they would ride according to the excellent advice in Cyclecraft

 

[BentMikey]

Was the study specific to cycle-lanes or a was it a general one?

I must say that I am disappointed with the cyclists around Bloomsbury, most of whom ride in the genuinely appalling lanes instead of using the road properly.

It was Dutch/Danish based, and involved something along the lines finding out if spending money on facilities would increase cycle traffic. It had no effect.

 

[Cab]

Not sure if anyone else picked up on it, but I am intrigued by the language used on the BBC report:

'The aim is to educate both groups about the dangers they pose to each other.'

What danger does a cyclist pose to a truck?

None, but if the campaign is seen to be anti-truck driver and not anti-cyclist, it would get ignored.

 

[Chris James]

None, but if the campaign is seen to be anti-truck driver and not anti-cyclist, it would get ignored.

Indeed, my thoughts exactly!

 

[dondare]

So how do they use the road properly?

Correct positioning on the road has nothing whatsoever to do with where the green paint is.

 

[ChrisKH]

Not sure if anyone else picked up on it, but I am intrigued by the language used on the BBC report:

'The aim is to educate both groups about the dangers they pose to each other.'

What danger does a cyclist pose to a truck?

The danger of litigation?

 

[col]

I was once in holland staying with relatives,and noticed how the cyclelanes were seperated from car roads by kerbs,and at junctions there were lights for them as well as the other roads,it just seemed well organised and totally seperated,getting them like that would be the only real viable solution here,but as has been said,not practical,and too expensive to do.Pity the government wasnt forward thinking years ago eh?