martint235
Dog on a bike
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- Welling
They might, only might, be a little upset. They don't like the fact that Indonesians, Malaysians et al all want to live in their big empty spaces.....
Minimum Alcohol Pricing
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SquareDaff
Über Member
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- Doncaster, South Yorkshire
Not a tax - a price recommendation - but of course if you end up paying more for something you inevitably end up paying more tax too
Will make no difference to me whatsoever. I'll just keep making the homebrew. Contrary to what this government seems to think, when I have a vat of 25 litres of wine sat in the garage, I don't feel the need to lay underneath the tap and guzzle it all in one sitting!!!
I have the self control not to do that!
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simon.r
Person
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- Nottingham
I suppose all those mountain bikers/footballers/walkers etc etc etc who present at hospital with self inflicted injuries should pay for their treatment as well? I mean, you'd be bloody stupid to ride a bicycle through a forest wouldn't you? Why should my taxes pay to treat anyone who injures themselves doing that?
[QUOTE 2177743, member: 9609"]Do moderate drinkers by the cheap crap that will be effected?
I have a few pints when we go out for a meal, I think they are £3.30 a pint. So it's not going to effect me.[/quote]
it's those who would describe themselves as not having a problem that are the problem. The 35 to 70 unit a week lot, drinking beer at home in front of the telly, or in small groups at each others flats or houses. Supposedly.
I'm not going to be affected by this. My thirty five units per week costs about £35 a week. Since my GP is continually wittering on about cutting down to something like ten units a week (although she readily confesses to bad habits picked up at Med School) I reckon Ms. May is going to be disappointed in me. But....do I think it should be harder for students, or someone on the minimum wage to drink as much as I do? Probably not.
I have a few pints when we go out for a meal, I think they are £3.30 a pint. So it's not going to effect me.[/quote]
it's those who would describe themselves as not having a problem that are the problem. The 35 to 70 unit a week lot, drinking beer at home in front of the telly, or in small groups at each others flats or houses. Supposedly.
I'm not going to be affected by this. My thirty five units per week costs about £35 a week. Since my GP is continually wittering on about cutting down to something like ten units a week (although she readily confesses to bad habits picked up at Med School) I reckon Ms. May is going to be disappointed in me. But....do I think it should be harder for students, or someone on the minimum wage to drink as much as I do? Probably not.
Over The Hill
Guru
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- Ridden off into the sunset
[QUOTE 2177743, member: 9609"]Do moderate drinkers by the cheap crap that will be effected?
I have a few pints when we go out for a meal, I think they are £3.30 a pint. So it's not going to effect me.[/quote]
I drink moderately. I really do not have a spare £3.30 for beer in pubs so will look out for offers on cans in my local shop. They will have deals on most weeks where I can get 4x500ml cans of Stella or John Smiths for £1 per can. Probably about 30p cheaper than normal per can. It is this sort of discount the measure will stop and this will cost me more.
Also you can get the odd reasonable bottle of wine reduced from £7 to £4 now and again.
It really is not the case that these moves will target the problem drinkers. It will simply hit the hard up like me that has been hit by the recession with my work and have two kids to put through uni.
Similarly pensioners on state pension may like a drink but certainly not be able to afford pub prices.
I have a few pints when we go out for a meal, I think they are £3.30 a pint. So it's not going to effect me.[/quote]
I drink moderately. I really do not have a spare £3.30 for beer in pubs so will look out for offers on cans in my local shop. They will have deals on most weeks where I can get 4x500ml cans of Stella or John Smiths for £1 per can. Probably about 30p cheaper than normal per can. It is this sort of discount the measure will stop and this will cost me more.
Also you can get the odd reasonable bottle of wine reduced from £7 to £4 now and again.
It really is not the case that these moves will target the problem drinkers. It will simply hit the hard up like me that has been hit by the recession with my work and have two kids to put through uni.
Similarly pensioners on state pension may like a drink but certainly not be able to afford pub prices.
pubrunner
Legendary Member
In the case of mountain bikers/footballers/walkers, injuries sustained will be accidental - not self-inflicted. Some might consider that such activities involve a 'reckless exposure to danger', but they are part of ordinary life . . . . . . an 'accidental' cause. The main issue that arises in these cases, is deciding at what point an action becomes a 'reckless exposure to danger'.
Regarding illnesses clearly involving alcohol and/or tobacco, there is clearly a strong contributory factor by the sufferer . . . . . . . non-accidental.
This is may be why many/most personal accident policies contain an exclusion clause, so that if the death or bodily injury is caused by alcohol and/or drugs, benefit is not payable.
Over The Hill
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Just worked out my number of units per week. 12 to 15.
That is one bottle of wine (two bottles between wifey and me) over a week. One or two cans of lager in the summer and John Smiths or Bemish in the winter. Odd night cap of a brandy or calvados.
All the above is bought on a tight budget. Probably all when some offer or other is on. Probably all will be hit by a minimum price. We just look out for offers and tend to buy what looks decent but is reduced. Calvados gets stocked up in France when we are there.
So I would call myself a very moderate drinker spending perhaps spending £8 per week on drink. But as I buy bargain booze I will be hit.
I dont go out on drunken rampages and indeed was told an odd glass of wine was good for me.
That is one bottle of wine (two bottles between wifey and me) over a week. One or two cans of lager in the summer and John Smiths or Bemish in the winter. Odd night cap of a brandy or calvados.
All the above is bought on a tight budget. Probably all when some offer or other is on. Probably all will be hit by a minimum price. We just look out for offers and tend to buy what looks decent but is reduced. Calvados gets stocked up in France when we are there.
So I would call myself a very moderate drinker spending perhaps spending £8 per week on drink. But as I buy bargain booze I will be hit.
I dont go out on drunken rampages and indeed was told an odd glass of wine was good for me.
threebikesmcginty
Corn Fed Hick...
- Location
- ...on the slake
See, rather than that pish you could buy 1 or 2 bottles of decent beer to savour. Quality over quantity any day.
And I can't even bring myself to comment on the unspeakably revolting idea of beer in tin cans.
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Both if poss - every day.
Kestevan
Last of the Summer Winos
- Location
- Holmfirth.
[quote=" I can't even bring myself to comment on the unspeakably revolting idea of beer in tin cans."[/quote]
Tins are for beans. Beer should come in bottles.
Tins are for beans. Beer should come in bottles.
At 45p a unit:-
4x440 2% tescos value lager £1 --> £1.58
Stella artois 4x500 4.8% from reduced offer of £4 to £4.32. Just not reduced probably. The smaller cans not affected at all in some cases.
The multipacks will go back to more like above normal prices in some cases.
The £4 750ml bottle of wine will stay at £4 for those bottles just under 12%. For 13.5% it'd go upto £4.56. The 12.5% bottle to £4.22 and 12% bottle to £4.05.
At 50p a unit though it does start to mount up quite a bit (someone at work did an analysis of it). All of which is why the government may well go for 45p a unit.
martint235
Dog on a bike
- Location
- Welling
Seeing MY's post just reminded me, did anyone else notice the premium lagers going down to 4.8%? Less tax to pay but no reduction in price.
Over The Hill
Guru
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- Ridden off into the sunset
I agree that if the minimum is set rather low then I will not hit the buffers with what i am buying but even if they set it low, give them a chance and up it goes to 55p or whatever.
Crankarm
Guru
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- Nr Cambridge
It's simply a cynical attempt by the Treasury to obtain more revenue by increasing it's tax take. Strange they have announced it in the run up to Christmas ............ Nothing what so ever to do with people's health. The Government don't give a crap about that they just want more revenue from alcohol. Of course the smart person doesn't drink alcohol so is unaffected. Simples.
