More numptys

[Eat MY Dust]

Maybe he could have just stuck behind Mags and then we could have had an equally tedious thread about drafting!

 

[magnatom]

I don't think the guy's impatient. I think what has happened the other cyclist has come up to the junction, seen that it is clear and has simply gone.

The art of good cycling and albeit good driving is always to anticipate and always try to keep the vehicle/bike moving e.g driving up to a red light and stopping or rolling up to a red light keeping the vehicle moving while waiting for the lights to change.

The same principle can be applied to cycling and has happened in this instance.

The art of good cycling is to not cut up other cyclists or overtake them on turns or blind corners. There is no way you can consider his cycling is good in the video.

 

[magnatom]

Maybe he could have just stuck behind Mags and then we could have had an equally tedious thread about drafting!

If I bore you, don't read my threads then, or there is the ignore feature....

 

[Eat MY Dust]

Mags it's not that you bore me, it's the fact that you're cycling around Glasgow like some kind of divine being, dishing out (shouting) your cycling Caveat. I'd have more respect for what you are doing if you had a quiet word with the offending people when it was safer to do so, rather than just shout at people. I find your actions verging on being rude and fairly anti social at times. You (again sometimes) remind me of cagers who use their car horns at every opportunity with the air of superiority that they would never make a mistake.

The first overtake on your video is one that I would have made without a second thought. If you had shouted at me for it I wouldn't be accepting your "never mind" when confronted (I still think you bottled it).

Some of your videos I quite enjoy. I've commented on a few of these on YouTube and have spoken to you via email on occassion as well. I just would like for once to hear you say "yeah, maybe I did overreact".

 

[BentMikey]

I think you are over reacting here. Did he make you change speed or direction when you didn't have to?

+1

I also think that Magnatom showed as much ego as the other cyclist. Can't say I wouldn't have done the same, but it doesn't leave either of you looking good.

 

[magnatom]

LOL! I am certainly no divine being or perfect cyclist. Go on look through all of my previous posts. You will find on numerous occasions I state that I have still to learn, I have learned, I have made mistakes, I have tried to learn from mistakes.

Quiet words don't work on the road. Too much noise, people moving to fast etc. So occasionally I'll say, 'pavement cycling's illegal mate', or 'that was a red light'. Come on, what is the harm in that, and if we are talking anti-social I would suggest that cycling in that way is far more anti-social.

As for the right turn overtake, he impeded me. Yes Lee I did have to stop peddling and from memory I think I did apply the brake (although I can't be certain). He then realised what he had done and waved me down the left side. Because of my dislike for undertaking I suggested he move over to the left and I would pass his right. As I passed I commented with absolutely no agression just a slight annoyance (listen to the tone of my voice) that it would have been easier had he not cut in front of me. He didn't hear me, and I thought it wasn't worthy of repeating, i.e. no big deal, so I said don't bother.

The second overtake, and I will restate this, when he was along side me, he could NOT have seen around that corner. I have spoken to the council in the past about the problem of using a single tunnel for 2 way cycling, suggesting that it would probably will result in an accident. They have taken this into account and will be providing a work around in the future.

In this overtake had any cyclist come the other way it would have been very nasty, broken bones at the very least, so I don't understand why anyone thinks it wasn't too bad an overtake. In this particular instance he got away with it, but....

So where did I overreact (and I have admitted doing this in the past on one of my videos, the oncoming car one, have a look at the youtube comments). I let it pass on the first overtake and on the second told the guy that it was a stupid place to overtake. Please tell me, how is this an overreaction?

Phew. I think I've covered everything...

 

[magnatom]

I've just watched the vid and he didn't cut you at all. You actually have a different line to him as you straighten up from the turn. In fairness to the guy as well he did acknowledge you and wave you by. You choosing not to undertake is your decision and that is fair enough but there was more then enough room if you wanted to get by.

The second overtake granted is a bit dangerous going from the footage, but the guy was taking the piss and on the wind up. Learn just to chill out on the road mag. There are just as many idiot cyclists as there are drivers, and unless they do you any real bother let it go.

You see that's the thing Lee. Some people on here think I am wound up by something because I post the video. I wasn't wound up, even by the second overtake. Annoyed at the time yes, but that's all. However, as I have gone into detail elsewhere, I post incidents that happen on my commute. That is what I do. An incident happened, I posted it. I suggest that he shouldn't have done what he did, some folk agree, some don't, fair enough.

If I disagree with a point someone makes I will make a counter argument. Just because I do, doesn't mean I'm wound up. Did you look at the other video I posted, I made a joke out of it, no-one has mentioned that!

What does get on my goat a bit (not really wound up, but a bit annoying) is when people tell me I'm wound up and that I should let it go. I have nothing to let go of!!

 

[Eat MY Dust]

Apart from this thread?

 

[Eat MY Dust]

Can I add I'm going home now. When I get in to work tomorrow, please don't let this have gone on to a silly amount of pages please.

 

[shunter]

Overtaking cyclist on right turn was out of order. I would not consider it right for a motorcyclist to do this to another motorcyclist and I would apply that to a cyclist as well. What if magnatom has fell on his turn due to frost or diesel on the turn - he would have forced the other cyclist into the path of an oncoming car or at best brought him down in front of it.

Overtaking on a blind corner is just completely daft and so common among car drivers who do not read the road ahead.

Both incidents would have been a fail in an advanced motorcycle test so lets hope these bods don't think about upgrading to engine power!

 

[BentMikey]

Not really - if Mags fell there he would slide left, away from the other cyclist. Perhaps you mean if the other cyclist slipped?

Mags, I also think you come across as wound up, not very much sure, but enough to call the cyclist a numpty and carry on with the ego contest that he started.

 

[shunter]

Can I add I'm going home now. When I get in to work tomorrow, please don't let this have gone on to a silly amount of pages please.

To be honest it is of great value for all to consider incidents like this and debate the correctness of cycling. Unfortunately some folks' interpretation on what is OK or fair is far beyond what the police would tolerate of other road users. I for one would like to see something similar on national TV showing, for starters, car drivers and their inability to use roundabouts correctly. Unfortunately there are people who believe they are masters of the roundabout but haven't a clue in reality and are a danger to others on the road and that is my opinion as a motorcyclist. Cycling is much more dangerous !

It is obvious that magnatom is probably not going to change the antics of the majority of folk he videos but if he at least makes folk on this forum 'think of the consequences' before they next carry out a risky manouvere on their bicycle then I think it worth a few pages of debate.

 

[shunter]

Not really - if Mags fell there he would slide left, away from the other cyclist. Perhaps you mean if the other cyclist slipped?

Mags, I also think you come across as wound up, not very much sure, but enough to call the cyclist a numpty and carry on with the ego contest that he started.

If a cyclist on my left fell my first instinct would be to move away and then adjust as soon as I could ascertain how much I need to. Last week I went straight down on black ice and then slid several yards to the left.

If however the other cyclist had slipped then he would have been 'Tatey Bread' under the car! Bit of a numpty that he hadn't considered that !

 

[marinyork]

Saw a nasty trick today. Some idiot in an SUV pretended to break down at a junction on a very steep hill, put hazard warning lights on. Drivers have to physically drive round him at the filter which is v dangerous due to the geography of the junction. Go round, and he nearly drives into me. Why? He was on his mobile phone, answered, stopped at lights, switch on hazard warning lights, waited two phases and then when his call was done just casually turned right without anycare of the people he'd held up and nearly drove into me and someone else. He didn't stall the car as the engine was still running and I saw him do the lot, crafty barsteward. If I used a camera I really would have reported that, incredibly dangerous.

 

[BentMikey]

Err no. If the other cyclist had slipped, he'd end up more to the left. He's in a right turn after all.