Motorists Cleared of Careless Driving Death

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adscrim

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Location
Perth
The irony here is that probably.at least half the members of the jury were car drivers of average standard, which means they also would probably plough on regardless of being blinded by a low Sun. We're asking people who's road behaviour is probably offtimes as bad as those on trial to assess the alleged actions of those on trial.

My only experience of being on a Jury was for a mugging where the accused was identified by a number of people including his co-accused, who had admitted guilt. We were advised by the court that due to his co-accused admitting the crime, he was, at the very least, guilty by association. Aside from this, there were numerous eye witnesses and he was stopped by the police while running from the scene and still in possession of the stolen goods. From the facts presented I was certain that he was guilty.

While we as a jury were deciding how to answer the Court's question of his guilt, a number of worrying statements were made. One person stated that even if we as a Jury we unanimous in our decision we should tell the court it was a decision by majority so that we could claim to have voted not guilty should we be met in the street by the accused at a later date. Another wanted us all to vote not guilty as a guilty verdict could ruin the accused's life. A number of others, although voting for guilty were openly uncomfortable in choosing to send someone to prison.

If these thoughts are occuring to Jurors when the trial relates to a crime most of us wouldn't dream off, how many more start having them when you could picture yourself being in court for similar reason. Such as driving offences.

As it turned out, when we the Jury had given the court our Guilty (by majority) verdict, we were told that he had been delivered to court from Prison where he was currently serving time for a separate incident of violent robbery.
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
Still. At least that bloke who drove this girlfriend's VW Polo onto the track at Brands Hatch got eight months.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...t-ends-with-eight-months-in-jail-9866750.html
 
140 hours of community work for a killing after failing to see a cyclist.:sad:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-30115385
There is something of note in that article
Morrison had earlier admitted causing her death by careless driving.

No stupid excuses (at least in court), just admission. That's something. If the driver is sorry and has decided never to drive again - very likely he won't start again at 78 - then maybe that's enough.

If I killed someone, it would haunt me for the rest of my life.
 
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Origamist

Legendary Member
"Clipped by a wing mirror" - a turn of phrase that makes it sound similar to getting a playful clip round the earhole...However, as anyone who has ever experienced this impact will tell you, it's anything but. It's a collision with potentially deadly or life changing consequences, as evinced in the two cases in Shropshire.

We must stamp on the notion (in some quarters) that close passes are in any way acceptable or understandable; that they are merely an unfortunate byproduct of "sharing the road" and should be ignored and/or tolerated.

The verdict in the OP is depressing, but not surprising. The "low sun" excuse is effectively a get out of jail free card.
 

Smurfy

Naturist Smurf
Juries need proper training before sitting on these cases. Clearly far too many people are willing to think in terms of 'accidents', rather than something very stupid that could've been prevented if the driver had the sense to slow down when they could no longer see where they were going.
 

mustang1

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Location
London, UK
When the sun is shining directly into a drivers eyes, its very difficult to see. I know, I have been a driver of such circumstance. Maybe the solution was to wear a blind fold and continue driving.
 

bpsmith

Veteran
Every morning at this time of year, when the sun is low in the sky at rush hour, I ask myself why people don't have sunglasses in their car!?!

The motorway slows to a standstill as a result in exactly the same place each day that it's not cloudy. Bonkers!
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
Every morning at this time of year, when the sun is low in the sky at rush hour, I ask myself why people don't have sunglasses in their car!?!

The motorway slows to a standstill as a result in exactly the same place each day that it's not cloudy. Bonkers!

umm, isn't slowing down when you can't see properly what you're supposed to do?

and sunglasses aren't magic - if they're dark enough to look at the sun, then everything else will be too dark to see. Never saw the point in 'em other than in snow (mountaineering)
 

Labradorofperception

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Location
Narnia
umm, isn't slowing down when you can't see properly what you're supposed to do?

and sunglasses aren't magic - if they're dark enough to look at the sun, then everything else will be too dark to see. Never saw the point in 'em other than in snow (mountaineering)

I think bpsmith is making the point that like the clocks going back, low sun is to be expected at this time of year and drivers should prepare accordingly.

But they don't. Example: The top road from Otley roundabout to Dyneley/Pool traffic lights. It is two lanes east (to Leeds)and one west. In a morning all the commuters are hooning along, with muppets doing 80mph in the "over taking lane". The road faces due east and sun is a real menace in autumn and winter. Nobody ever ever seems to make any allowance in terms of speed or when to over take. Add to that it then goes straight into tree cover, with a bend, so drivers are effectively plunged into darkness and cannot see.

It is also the main pedal in to Leeds for the Wharfe valley lot. How someone has not been killed is beyond me. If you ever saw a fat man on a TT bike on the path there, it was me, until I moved to ....Shropshire. Erm.
 

bpsmith

Veteran
umm, isn't slowing down when you can't see properly what you're supposed to do?

and sunglasses aren't magic - if they're dark enough to look at the sun, then everything else will be too dark to see. Never saw the point in 'em other than in snow (mountaineering)

I do believe that @Labradorofperception summed it up on my behalf! Cheers.

Never said not to brake! Just said that heavy braking, which is dangerous, could be avoided with sunglasses. You don't have to look at the sun, just at the road in front of you. Without sunglasses the rays block your view of the road. With sunglasses, it's not an issue. :becool:
 
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