Motorsports Thread

[FishFright]

Well, Mrs D does eaxctly just that.

Something to do with moving the head more often allows the brain to distinguish visual references in a different way that makes the difference, but I didn't fully understand the consultants explanation. Some people can/will do it, some can't/don't.

She had two that worked fine until the one packed up due to MS.

The head movements things is how I do it , it does take some thought though so is a chunk slower than those with stereoscopic vision.

MS is a horrible thing

 

[icowden]

The issue under consideration is whether car with new tyres should have been right behind and the lapped cars should have been allowed past and whether the race was restarted one lap too soon.

Most things I’ve read say the race was definitely started too soon and should have finished under the safety car according to the rules. And the FIA have somehow managed to manufacture a final lap race when they shouldn’t have.

And what underlines that is the statement put out to teams that lapped cars would *NOT* be allowed to overtake, and then suddenly a reverse ferret was implemented. It just makes it look like a massive stitch up.

Rules changes were made for the start of the season that solely disadvantaged Mercedes. FIA are desperate to break Merca dominance. We have had repeated examples of Horner trying to negotiate with Masi etc. The only way they could gift Red Bull the win was to let max be right behind lewis on that restart. Yes, Mercedes could have come in - but then Max would have stayed out. Both safety cars you are disadvantaged by being in front. If Masi wanted a fair finish he should have red flagged, cleared the car and let everyone come out for a one lap sprint. No one would have moaned if max had won in a fair fight. But he didn’t. Not even close.

They are even whitewashing their website with “brilliant drive from Red Bull”. etc. it wasn’t anything close to a brilliant drive from Max.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

It was even worse. Only the 5 cars in front of Max were allowed to unlap. At least be consistent and allow all to unlap - but of course that would have put Sainz on Max's tail, looking for second place...

 

[gbb]

Yeah that’s what happened, the car with old tyres got overtaken by the car with new tyres. That isn’t the issue under consideration.


The issue under consideration is whether car with new tyres should have been right behind and the lapped cars should have been allowed past and whether the race was restarted one lap too soon.

Most things I’ve read say the race was definitely started too soon and should have finished under the safety car according to the rules. And the FIA have somehow managed to manufacture a final lap race when they shouldn’t have.

Cant say i am au fait with the rules but it always seemed to be that lapped cars inbetween the lead lappers passed, allowing the lead lap cars to continue in their rightful positions. Despitr the farce of it, thats what happend surely ?
Dont get me wrong , F1 has become a farce anyway, i dont generally watch it with any pleasure anymore, they certainly didnt help themselves yesterday.

 

[Drago]

Bernie Ecclestone, described as a failed Formula 2 mechanic by someone I know who worked with him in his younger days...

I'm not sure I'd want to go to back to the Balestre era and the dangerous attitude of laissez faire, but in trying to bring the "gaming generation" on board, the current incumbents are farking up the sport for the purists.

Small wonder I much prefer BTCC and Formula E...

My Dad knew Bernie and has oft said that if you were in London in the 60's and had a stolen motorbike to sell then he was the man you went to see.

 

[gbb]

It was even worse. Only the 5 cars in front of Max were allowed to unlap. At least be consistent and allow all to unlap - but of course that would have put Sainz on Max's tail, looking for second place...

Tbf, i only watched the last few laps and did wonder how the lapped got past so quick...that explains why, most didnt.

 

[Drago]

Of course, Max would not have found that at all straightforward if Mercedes had brought Lewis in for new tyres.

If they had done so then I guess none of these other shenanigans would not have mattered, but Mercedes made the wrong call because they were frightened RB would leave Mac out on his relatively fresh rubber and Lewis would lose track position. Oops.

I wonder if Toto will be dragging along a barrister to challenge himself over that blunder?

 

[Illaveago]

If the results are allowed to stand it will cast shame on the names of Red Bull , Red Bull Racing , Honda, the FIA, Liberty Media, Michael Masi.
As a result of the final lap decision Lewis Hamilton was given in effect a 12 second time penalty for leading most of the race until the last crash . Lewis had countered everything that Red Bull had tried to catch him . He even managed to stretch his lead once again after Perez had held him up by 7 seconds to allow Max to close to within 1 second . Despite Max fitting new tyres and starting to close the gap again Lewis managed to once again stretch the gap out to 12 seconds despite having old tyres. Masi said that he wanted the car's to race. What had they been doing for the previous 50 laps ? Was he asleep?
I could accept the result if Lewis's car had developed an engine fault or a puncture but manipulating the race in order to achieve that result was a crime !
People criticise Lewis as being false but yesterday he showed how honourable he was by going over to congratulate Max . His father went and congratulated Max's dad.

 

[Beebo]

Of course, Max would not have found that at all straightforward if Mercedes had brought Lewis in for new tyres.

If they had done so then I guess none of these other shenanigans would not have mattered, but Mercedes made the wrong call because they were frightened RB would leave Mac out on his relatively fresh rubber and Lewis would lose track position. Oops.

I wonder if Toto will be dragging along a barrister to challenge himself over that blunder?

In hindsight it maybe a blunder.
But at the time, and with the rules correctly applied it was the right thing to do.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Did she? No mention of that that I can find. According to wikipedia she stopped because she had gone as far as she could in the sport.

Are you perhaps thinking of Maria de Villota?

 

[figbat]

In hindsight it maybe a blunder.
But at the time, and with the rules correctly applied it was the right thing to do.

Exactly this. Mercedes had little choice. If they came in they would be behind Max and the regulations meant that there was no time to restart, so Lewis would finish behind Max and the safety car. What they didn't know was that Masi was treating F1 like the Hunger Games and insisting that the game go on to its brutal conclusion. Mercedes have every right to feel sore as they made decisions based on the regulations as stated. You might also argue that Ferrari would feel hard done by as Carlos was not given the same opportunity to race. Sebastian has also complained that he was not allowed to unlap himself (and potentially race for a better position in the last lap).

Masi was focussed entirely on 'the show' and delivering 'a spectacle' but in the end has delivered a farce and only Max fans are happy - I've not come across any other F1 fan that is anything other than disappointed. Lewis had the race sewn up - he and Mercedes deserved to win this race. He was deliberately hamstrung by Masi who manipulated the race and handed it and the title to Max. I'm not a Lewis fan nor a Max one - I'd be happy either way - but not this way.

 

[Fat Lars]

In hindsight it maybe a blunder.
But at the time, and with the rules correctly applied it was the right thing to do.

With due respect the rules were not applied correctly. Lewis was stitched up. So many questions. IMO F1 is shamed by this debacle. I couldn't watch the last lap as I was getting so angry. Mad Max is a dodgy driver who throughout the season continually drived wide to put Lewis off the track when he was being overtaken. Everyone knows that the true champion is Lewis Hamilton. IMO Mercedes will win their appeal in court although F1 is forever tarnished.

 

[keithmac]

I've watched F1 for 30+ years, the cheers in our house when Max won I've never heard before.

My 9 year old daughter was absolutely hooked to the last seconds.

Racing is racing, no question of having the safety car out due to where the crashed car has to be recovered.

I would have called it a stich up if the HADN'T cleared the lapped cars personally.

Looking through the season Red Bull have always got it in the neck decision wise, made a refreshing change to see one going their way for a change.

Roll on next year, hopefully George Russell will get a chance to race properly and not have his races wrecked in the pits (that left a sour taste, he was stitched up good and proper).

 

[Illaveago]

I wonder if Masi has had an anonymous large amount of money deposited into his bank account ?

Red Bull offering Nicholas LaTifi with supplies of their drinks doesn't sound correct !

 

[Jody]

IMO Mercedes will win their appeal in court although F1 is forever tarnished.

There will be no winner if it goes to court. An appeal won and the title taken away from Max would also be a travesty.