My dusty crack is getting bigger and now it smells of smoke!

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Andrew_Culture

Internet Marketing bod
Does anyone else here have any experience of subsidence?

We bought our 1882 Victorian terrace house twelve years ago and knew from the survey that there had been subsidence in the past (although the steeply sloping floors were also a clue), but we were young, optimistic and Northern Rock were happily giving anyone a mortgage regardless of structural stability, income or rank odour.

A few years back I foolishly reported to our buildings insurer that the cracks in our walls that I'd been filling with polyfiller for years were still opening up. They asked if the gaps in the floor and the walls were big enough to fit a credit card in, and I told them the truth, which was that the gap between wall and floorboards in our bathroom is so big the cats stick their heads down it and look under the floorboards.

A couple of years ago they told send some folk down to look at the drains and told us we needed to spend £2000 because our drains weren't in 'optimum' condition. Dynorod gave us a second opinion and told us that our drains were fine, but still we had to fork out for the work to be done or the insurance company wouldn't progress the claim.

So here we are now, the cracks are still being monitored and the gaps are still slowly getting bigger. But as of last night we noticed something odd. We are technically end terrace, but the next terrace starts about 3cm from our external wall (so from the outside we look mid-terrace), and last night we noticed that our pantry smells of cigarette smoke, neither my wife or I smoke and I'm fairly sure my 14 month year old daughter isn't smoking either... but our neighbour does smoke. So why on earth does our pantry now smell of cigarettes when our house isn't even attached to the one next door???


I guess I'm posting for commiseration more than anything else! We're in no hurry to move, but it would be nice to get the repairs done and be living in a house that we can't even decorate.
 
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Andrew_Culture

Andrew_Culture

Internet Marketing bod
No mines here in Suffolk but I have recently learned that about five doors away from us the council had to do some major groundworks at the bottom of the gardens of about six houses to stop them collapsing. They then sent each homeowner a bill for £40k. Rumour has it at least one person had to default on their mortgage and move out!
 

Night Train

Maker of Things
The smoke smell could be coming through gaps in the walls. If you have a crack that goes through to the outside then when the neighbour smokes the smell can come through with the draughts.

I get smoke smell in my house from the semi next door. I will need to lift floor boards to seal up the gaps where the joists are in the brickwork to try and reduce it.

The bigger concern would be the cause of the subsidence/movement. It could be sinking or heaving.

When I was in London I lived in the third house (over a shop) on the terrace. The terrace was 150 years old. The end terrace was bought by William Hill to convert into a betting shop. They demolished the building and rebuilt it with deep pilings to find something stable to meet building regs.
The result was that the rest of the terrace, without deep foundations, heaved and moved with the seasons as it had always done and slowly ripped apart the second house in the terrace row that was anchored to a building that didn't move.

The movement in my house was due partly to big timber lintles in the basement walls rotting away and not supporting the structure above, and partly to insufficient footings. Both have been fixed by underpinning and replacing the timber lintles with steel and masonry.
 

gary in derby

Well-Known Member
Location
Derby
you sure its cigarette smoke you smell ? as Archie said get a co sensor if you smell fish, get electrics checked. asap
 
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Andrew_Culture

Andrew_Culture

Internet Marketing bod
The smoke smell could be coming through gaps in the walls. If you have a crack that goes through to the outside then when the neighbour smokes the smell can come through with the draughts.

I get smoke smell in my house from the semi next door. I will need to lift floor boards to seal up the gaps where the joists are in the brickwork to try and reduce it.

The bigger concern would be the cause of the subsidence/movement. It could be sinking or heaving.

When I was in London I lived in the third house (over a shop) on the terrace. The terrace was 150 years old. The end terrace was bought by William Hill to convert into a betting shop. They demolished the building and rebuilt it with deep pilings to find something stable to meet building regs.
The result was that the rest of the terrace, without deep foundations, heaved and moved with the seasons as it had always done and slowly ripped apart the second house in the terrace row that was anchored to a building that didn't move.

The movement in my house was due partly to big timber lintles in the basement walls rotting away and not supporting the structure above, and partly to insufficient footings. Both have been fixed by underpinning and replacing the timber lintles with steel and masonry.

Oddly enough our house is underpinned, it's one of the things that delayed getting our mortgage. Since we have moved in we have fitted double glazing, added central heating and put a proper roof on the crappy extension that only used to have a plastic roof (the guy who built it did so without planning permission and got caught, so slung a plastic roof on it and called it a conservatory!).
 
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Andrew_Culture

Andrew_Culture

Internet Marketing bod
Hmm, perhaps this diagram might help explain the situation:

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The garden drops steeply away from the house (although next door's garden is level), and the bottom of the garden used to look like this (it has a greenhouse now instead):

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But why is the garden still such a mess? by Andrew Culture, on Flickr
 

Arjimlad

Tights of Cydonia
Location
South Glos
That monitoring lark is a right nuisance when you just want to get on with sorting the problem out. I think the problem will lie with the fact your house is already underpinned. I have dealt with some tree root subsidence cases recently which have given me some insight into subsidence issues and soil types but if you need someone specialised to look into it I can put you in touch with someone in Colchester who would know the best expert in your part of the world.
 
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Andrew_Culture

Andrew_Culture

Internet Marketing bod
That monitoring lark is a right nuisance when you just want to get on with sorting the problem out. I think the problem will lie with the fact your house is already underpinned. I have dealt with some tree root subsidence cases recently which have given me some insight into subsidence issues and soil types but if you need someone specialised to look into it I can put you in touch with someone in Colchester who would know the best expert in your part of the world.

There are some tall trees in a row that starts at the foot of my garden but the initial survey visit told us they were of no issue, although the surveyor did 'tell me off' for the poor taste we had in decorating the house the way we had, in fact he was so rude it just ended up making me laugh.

I appreciate the offer of help, at the moment we're having to play the insurance company's game and just keep on with the surveys.
 
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