Need opinions about buying bike

[AJ TY]

Would yall rather buy

Opus Vivace 3.0 has a Gamma 40 T700 M50J high modulus carbon frame.
Wireless Shimano Ultegra groupset.
The bike features C50 carbon wheels with Vittoria Rubino Pro tires.
It has a Selle Italia saddle and Easton handlebars.

For 1.4k CAD

OR

Welier triestina small 2016
11 speed ultegra mechanical
50-34 170mm crank set
Vision aero integrated bar
Energy lab carbon rim set
New tires Victoria corsa pro.
Altegra pedal.
No saddle

For 2k CAD

 

[All uphill]

Which fits better?
Which is in better condition?
Which do you like best?

Are both bikes carbon fibre?

How do you feel about buying a 10+ year old bike made out of a material that can be damaged?

Neither are bikes I'd consider buying, but then I'm me, and you are you.

 

[DCLane]

Which model Triestina is it? Better models use higher modulus carbon.

From experience the lower-end Wilier Triestina wasn't great to ride; it felt dull, as if cheaper carbon was used. I've also had an aluminium Wilier Montegrappa which was brilliant by comparison.

Don't think we have Opus in the UK, so there may not be many responses about this.

Check the frame over carefully on either bike; I'm happy riding older carbon bikes but check any chips / possible repairs carefully.

One other note is that electronic Ultrgra is relying on quite old electrical components and obtaining spares might be difficult (if you buy this one I'd be collecting spares).

 

[wafter]

No saddle

A strong lifestyle choice; personally not my bag but each to their own..

 

[AndyRM]

I'd echo the sentiment about spares if you go down the electronic shifting route. That could be pricey to replace if it doesn't hold charge.

There's a pretty big price difference there too, for fairly old bicycles, but assuming the electronic kit works I'd say go for the Opus.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

As above, I would be looking at the bike in person and checking the condition carefully, especially a set of years old carbon rims which both bikes appear to have.

There is the old adage of "buy the seller, not the bike". I always tend to ask a few questions on anything second hand to try and ascertain if there are any real or potential issues. Sellers that just tell you something is great or near perfect and can't really go into specifics about the bikes usage (or are clearly downplaying it) are best avoided.