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Reynard said:
At least you can *see* hoar frost. Black ice, on the other hand...

There're a few places around here that are known for black ice. I try and avoid them if at all possible, but alas, one of them is on my way home from the station.
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Yes, but you can't see whats underneath it.
 
DCBassman

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Always a little twitchy around wet leaves...
 
fossyant

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Drago said:
Yet mile for mile you're considerably more likely to die while walking, which makes such thoughts illogical. Presumably you do still put one foot in front of the other without giving that a serious thought?
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I still MTB which is far more dangerous. I'm not going through the whole process again, lack of couldn't give a flip from the driver and the police. He gave me a life changing injury and got away from it. Even the legal process was exceptional stressful.

No ta. Too many knobs in cars
 
Drago

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fossyant said:
I still MTB which is far more dangerous. I'm not going through the whole process again, lack of couldn't give a flip from the driver and the police. He gave me a life changing injury and got away from it. Even the legal process was exceptional stressful.

No ta. Too many knobs in cars
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I think you missed my point. More pedestrians are killed by cars than are cyclists. Do you never venture out of the house on foot, or do you have some kind Tracey Island arrangement where you step into a wardrobe and slide down a chute and through the sunroof of your car in the garage?

If you never ever appear in public on foot, then fair enough. However, avoiding one activity due to danger while still participating without a thought in another even more dangerous everyday activity is just strange. You must surely walk from your car to the shop and back again, or occasionally cross the road, sometimes park the car a few dozen metres from your destination and walk the final stretch? Well, doing those things is over 10% more likely to get you killed by a motorist than actually riding a bike on the road, yet you don't give them a second thought.

I can completely understand your heart's take on the matter Foss and couldn't swear that I'd be any less averse in the same situation. Nevertheless, when examined from a head perspective it's illogical.
 
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kingrollo

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Drago said:
I think you missed my point. More pedestrians are killed by cars than are cyclists. Do you never venture out of the house on foot, or do you have some kind Tracey Island arrangement where you step into a wardrobe and slide down a chute and through the sunroof of your car in the garage?

If you never ever appear in public on foot, then fair enough. However, avoiding one activity due to danger while still participating without a thought in another even more dangerous everyday activity is just strange. You must surely walk from your car to the shop and back again, or occasionally cross the road, sometimes park the car a few dozen metres from your destination and walk the final stretch? Well, doing those things is over 10% more likely to get you killed by a motorist than actually riding a bike on the road, yet you don't give them a second thought.

I can completely understand your heart's take on the matter Foss and couldn't swear that I'd be any less averse in the same situation. Nevertheless, when examined from a head perspective it's illogical.
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He got injured not killed. The stats are misleading IMO -not all injuries are reported -even serious ones.
 
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Drago said:
I think you missed my point. More pedestrians are killed by cars than are cyclists. Do you never venture out of the house on foot, or do you have some kind Tracey Island arrangement where you step into a wardrobe and slide down a chute and through the sunroof of your car in the garage?

If you never ever appear in public on foot, then fair enough. However, avoiding one activity due to danger while still participating without a thought in another even more dangerous everyday activity is just strange. You must surely walk from your car to the shop and back again, or occasionally cross the road, sometimes park the car a few dozen metres from your destination and walk the final stretch? Well, doing those things is over 10% more likely to get you killed by a motorist than actually riding a bike on the road, yet you don't give them a second thought.

I can completely understand your heart's take on the matter Foss and couldn't swear that I'd be any less averse in the same situation. Nevertheless, when examined from a head perspective it's illogical.
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True, but as an actual percentage of the population, most of whom are probably pedestrians at some point during the day, surely the rate of injury per thousand must be higher for cyclists? There are likely 50 million pedestrians every day, only about 1.5 million people cycle 3 times a week.

I also think cyclists have a lot of near-misses, which can add to anxiety, whereas they are pretty rare as an adult pedestrian.

I admit to being a fair weather cyclist, though I'm not riding at all atm due to injury and illness. I won't ride my road bike when it's icy, very wet, or the gutters are full of leaves. If the traffic is really busy there are certain wide junctions where I will dismount and cross at the lights because drivers are too often reckless at those spots.

I totally sympathise with the OP. I am fairly new to getting back on a bike so I haven't fully got my confidence yet, but there are roads round here (Manchester) that I don't think are at all safe when it's busy.
 
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Milkfloat

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AuroraSaab said:
True, but as an actual percentage of the population, most of whom are probably pedestrians at some point during the day, surely the rate of injury per thousand must be higher for cyclists? There are likely 50 million pedestrians every day, only about 1.5 million people cycle 3 times a week.
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Nope, mile for mile riding a bike is safer than walking. In fact cycling is also about 5 times safer than driving for young men.
 
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kingrollo

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vickster said:
This is always an interesting read when considering the risk of cycling (or lack of).

https://www.gicentre.net/blog/2013/11/24/risk-cycling-and-denominator-neglect
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Only skim read - but as far as I can see the total miles cycled is still an estimate.
Also where do the SI figures come from ? Hospitals ? - the police ?
(There is an article on the web somewhere - about a guy who drops his bike on his head when getting it off the car - the hospital records it as a cycling incident)
Also what is an SI ? Broken Leg/Arm ?

I think it would be better if there were a life changing injury category.
 
vickster

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kingrollo said:
Only skim read - but as far as I can see the total miles cycled is still an estimate.
Also where do the SI figures come from ? Hospitals ? - the police ?
(There is an article on the web somewhere - about a guy who drops his bike on his head when getting it off the car - the hospital records it as a cycling incident)
Also what is an SI ? Broken Leg/Arm ?

I think it would be better if there were a life changing injury category.
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Why better? How do you define life changing, would you then need a scale from 1-10. Who judges, obviously not everyone has the same life.
How would you define a serious injury?
 
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