no more expensive car dealerships for me

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GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
+1 for local garages.

I normally send each of our 2 cars in once a year for a combined service and MOT, then neither of them normally sees the garage for next 12 months.

So last year I booked my wife's car in for service and MOT as usual. About an hour later I got a call from the garage. Did I really want a service done? It had only done 3,000 miles since last year (I hadn't given it a thought)....

"If it was my car I would just get it MOT'd. I wouldn't bother with the service. But it's up to you...." So I just went for MOT and saved enough for some Winter cycle clothing!
I'd kind of be a little worried about, somethings need to be checked even if the car hasn't turned a wheel, in fact for very low mileages additional things need to be checked as they may not have been worked enough to keep lubricant on them which also acts as a corrosion inhibiter. For this reason the garage near me does a 'light use service' & a 'full service', the former is cheaper & nothing is changed unless it's needed rather than replaced as routine.
 

mightyquin

Active Member
I've only ever used main stealers when I've had to - company cars or newer cars still under warranty (although they can't enforce that any longer).

I have a local indi mechanic who's amazing, he works on any car and has got my ageing campervan through it's MOT every year with the minimum of work. He's so cheap I sometimes feel guilty about paying him so little.

Lots of main dealers seem to employ mostly trainee mechanics who can only change parts. They don't actually 'fix' anything.
 

Night Train

Maker of Things
I'm not going to defend main agent labour rates, despite their being very good reasons for them charging more than the bloke down the road with two ramps and three mechanics, but I'd ask you to maybe consider your main agent like you do your LBS, hear me out, yes they might charge marginally more, but they are specifically trained, have the specialist tools including diagnostic machines, and they only fit genuine manufacturer approved and sourced parts. Ok, maybe not exactly like your LBS, but I hope you get the gist of my point.


Loyalty and goodwill are like two way traffic in my book, they run both ways :thumbsup:

Loyalty did no good for me.
List of things my dealer did to my car when in for servicing and repair.
Forgot to refit all the wheel nuts.
Forgot to refit the engine cover properly.
Left brake fluid hand print on front bumper.
Ditto on tailgate (still not repaired).
Replaced rear exhaust pipe due to a hole, didn't notice the bigger hole in the catylist until I pointed it out.
Broke the aircon pump.
Crushed the nearside sill when jacking the car.
Left a club hammer in front of the radiator. It smashed the radiator, the inner wings, the grille and was working its way through to the front brake pipes before I discovered it after a long drive. They denied it until I showed them the hammer with their stamp on it.
Wired the trailer electrics wrongly, fogs and both rear lights onto the nearside sidelight circuit.

As for properly trained, I had to storm into the workshop on a number of occasions to stop them using hammers on parts that should never be hammered and to point out parts wrongly fitted and bodged into place.

-1 for main dealers too. In the past I have had my car done at the main dealer and one service ages ago I noticed that they charged for washer fluid refill and I was sure it was full before I took it in. Anyway, the last time I took it in I thought I'd carry out a little experiment. Beforehand I made sure that the washer reservoir was full to the brim, not another millilitre could have been squeezed in there. Sure enough, on the bill was a charge for washer fluid. I didn't bother querying it, not worth the bother for about £1.50 or whatever it was, besides I could imagine the ' He would have topped it up after draining some out while testing it' bollocks excuse if I had have done
They also did the topping up the already full washer bottle as well and I did the same test as you to see how many nanolitres they managed to squeeze in.

I even had old brake fluid in the reservoir after a fluid change was on the service bill. I know they didn't change it as the nipples were dry and stuck when I changed it myself afterwards.
 

The Jogger

Legendary Member
Location
Spain
*sniff*

I used to service my old Land Rover - there were three filters to change, seven different oils to change and..... that was it.

*sniff* Handkerchief. *paaaarp*
I miss my old land rover so much, I'm going to have to get another , along with a Hayes manual.
 

Smokin Joe

Legendary Member
I miss my old land rover so much, I'm going to have to get another , along with a Hayes manual.
Essential for the home mechanic, but they contain a mine of misinformation.

It's been years since I had one that didn't have glaring errors and omissions, I think that half the pictures in them now are manufacturers library photos. I can't believe they do a full stripdown anymore because the way they describe a lot of the sequences is nothing like the reality.
 

Night Train

Maker of Things
Essential for the home mechanic, but they contain a mine of misinformation.

It's been years since I had one that didn't have glaring errors and omissions, I think that half the pictures in them now are manufacturers library photos. I can't believe they do a full stripdown anymore because the way they describe a lot of the sequences is nothing like the reality.

Try this one:
http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?s...+bored +alternative&fromsearch=1&#entry553575
:biggrin:

I used to use parts manuals as at least they had most of the parts in the right place on the same page.
 

Globalti

Legendary Member
Anybody who has contributed to this thread could do with reading Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, it's exactly about crap work and shonky mechanics.
 

tyred

Legendary Member
Location
Ireland
I definitely think the quality of Haynes manuals have gone downhill. I own one for the MK1 Golf/Jetta diesel, and it is excellent, with clear descriptions and photographs.

I bought one a while back to help me out with a few jobs I wanted to carry out on my Mum's Peugeot 306 and it is worse than useless, making simple tasks harder than they need to be and not giving the information on how to tackle the more complicated things which I would like a manual for. In the great scheme of things, a 306 is a relatively simple car, I would hate to be trying to figure out some of the over complicated motors going now with only a Haynes manual for guidance.

As an aside, why do Peugeot ruin otherwise fine cars like the 306 diesel by seemingly making suspension bushings out of chocolate which need to be replaced repeatedly?
 

Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
Location
Northumberland
Haynes manuals should now include a free memory stick pre-loaded with your car's energy management and software programmes, tough if you have a Mac.
 

Spinney

Bimbleur extraordinaire
Location
Back up north
+1 for local garages

I have my still-in-warranty Skoda serviced by my local garage - they use Skoda parts while it is still in warranty to avoid invalidating the warranty.

They check things for free - like when I had a small diesel leak in my last car (Renault Megane :angry: - not the first leak either!), that I was worried might be brake fluid (rainbow patterns in puddles on the drive), they jacked it up, took wheels off to check, concluded very slow diesel leak (which was fixed by the main dealers under warranty) so OK for imminent journey but 'get it fixed soon' and charged me £0.

The Renault dealers even charged me for a couple of air-con refills, before finding the hole in the air con system that was making it leak all the stuff out within a few weeks of being refilled. Of course, I could never prove when the hole occurred...

And tyres:
Local shop of a national chain: "Yes, madam, you should get those tyres replaced as soon as possible..."
Local garage, half an hour later: "Well, you could, but they should be OK for another few thousand miles...."

Guess who got the business when I did replace them...
 

Chromatic

Legendary Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Loyalty did no good for me.
List of things my dealer did to my car when in for servicing and repair.
Forgot to refit all the wheel nuts.
Forgot to refit the engine cover properly.
Left brake fluid hand print on front bumper.
Ditto on tailgate (still not repaired).
Replaced rear exhaust pipe due to a hole, didn't notice the bigger hole in the catylist until I pointed it out.
Broke the aircon pump.
Crushed the nearside sill when jacking the car.
Left a club hammer in front of the radiator. It smashed the radiator, the inner wings, the grille and was working its way through to the front brake pipes before I discovered it after a long drive. They denied it until I showed them the hammer with their stamp on it.
Wired the trailer electrics wrongly, fogs and both rear lights onto the nearside sidelight circuit.

As for properly trained, I had to storm into the workshop on a number of occasions to stop them using hammers on parts that should never be hammered and to point out parts wrongly fitted and bodged into place.


They also did the topping up the already full washer bottle as well and I did the same test as you to see how many nanolitres they managed to squeeze in.

I even had old brake fluid in the reservoir after a fluid change was on the service bill. I know they didn't change it as the nipples were dry and stuck when I changed it myself afterwards.


It's little things like the washer fluid thing that starts you wondering what else they rip you off for, your experience with the brake fluid seems to indicate that it could be more than you think. I suppose they rely on people not checking or knowing what to look for.
 

Norm

Guest
I miss my old land rover so much, I'm going to have to get another , along with a Hayes manual.
We have 2 Haynes manuals, the standard one and the restoration manual.

We had clutch issues with ours recently. I'll post the details when I have time later but the AA man rubbed his hands in glee when he arrived and saw it. His first words were "Excellent, I can leave the computer in the van for this one..."

He even asked if we minded him coming along for the test drive rather than following in his van.
 
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