Clandy
Well-Known Member
No, you don't. You pay Vehicle Excise Duty, car tax. 'Road tax', or the 'road fund licence', was scrapped in 1936.
No wonder Cyclists are unpopular with motorists!
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No, you don't. You pay Vehicle Excise Duty, car tax. 'Road tax', or the 'road fund licence', was scrapped in 1936.
GrumpyGregry
Here for rides.
REALLY!?! Wow.
Perhaps that's why I wear a one of these in the summer.
Seriously, arguing that point with car drivers during a row is a total and utter waste of time ime/imo only beaten by arguing the point with fellow cyclists in internet forums.
Clandy
Well-Known Member
How can we criticise bad and dangerous driving if we turn a blind eye to the morons on bicycles who also ignore the rules of the road? I am not a believer in 'do as I say, not as I do'. Obeying traffic law is not 'appeasement', it is setting the example.
John the Monkey
Frivolous Cyclist
- Location
- Crewe
Bad and dangerous driving is still that regardless of what other road users are doing. It is also a mistake to think that perfect behaviour by other road users has an effect on the behaviour of motorists (in my experience). This is not to say that poor behaviour by other road users should be encouraged, condoned, ignored; merely that correcting it would do relatively little to improve the safety (objectively and subjectively) of Britain's roads - the ability to do that lies largely in the hands of the heavier, faster, more numerous party.
Another cyclist has put me at risk precisely once in over three years of commuting into and from Manchester, and walking about the city centre. Motorists put me at risk every day, with stuff that is seriously worrying happenning around once a week. Whilst I dislike inattentive, inconsiderate law breaking cyclists, I'm not under the impression that they pose as great a risk as similar behaviours by the drivers of motor vehicles.
What are people's opinions on the following -
I stop for every red light I see.
I stop for every red light I see.
- If it's a red like at a pedestrian crossing and after I've stopped I can clearly see that no one is around, I'll carry on cycling.
- If it's a junction, and there is a green man on either my left or my right (meaning no traffic will cut across my path) and there are no pedestrians, I'll carry on cycling.
Clandy
Well-Known Member
John the Monkey
Frivolous Cyclist
- Location
- Crewe
I wouldn't do it.
I'd suggest you don't either. I don't want to ride on roads where folk take a pick and mix attitude to traffic law (see posts passim).
I can criticise bad and dangerous driving on the grounds that it is bad and/or dangerous without reference to whether or not it is illegal. There is no law against using a hands-free mobile phone while driving, for example, yet this is often bad or dangerous.
Firestorm
Veteran
- Location
- Southend on Sea
If I thought the number was even vaguely accurate then yes. But I doubt the "I only exceed the limit on deserted motorways" crowd make up anywhere near 99% of speeders.
If I dismount, walk my bike across, then get back on and cycle away, is it ok then?
If you were in a car, would you consider getting out pushing across and then carrying on ?
John the Monkey
Frivolous Cyclist
- Location
- Crewe
No, for the same reason as if I were in a double decker bus I would not consider parking it in a multistorey, and if I saw an LGV driver go the wrong way round a roundabout I would be much more inclined to leniency than if he were in a Nissan micra. There are different tradeoffs involved in the use of different vehicles
Do you park your bike in a pay & display space?
