Not so cheerful thread

[User]

 

[fossyant]

Unfortunately this isn't uncommon, very sad, very emotional for all involved, but it's not a country where mom will get to see them. Tragic. Is mom British, or is she from Syria ?

Very sad.......

 

[Willow]

Isn't there a charity that helps with these cases, couple of women run it believe I saw a TV programme years ago. So sad, for her and children I don't understand how any parent can do that

 

[Tharg2007]

i can only think that he is not a real parent but someone who sees the children as objects to be kept for himself. Any parent who truly loved their children would want them to be happy and that can only happen if they have their mother. A truly selfish person with no regard for others.

 

[Dave5N]

i can only think that he is not a real parent but someone who sees the children as objects to be kept for himself. Any parent who truly loved their children would want them to be happy and that can only happen if they have their mother. A truly selfish person with no regard for others.

Try telling that to Shannon Matthews.

 

[Dave5N]

Or, for that matter, to Shannon Matthews' Dad.

 

[Tharg2007]

Try telling that to Shannon Matthews.

same goes for her too, she needs a mother, sadly all that was there was a fat useless blob of a criminal.

 

[PaulB]

I wouldn't call this a case of child abduction though. The kids have been taken because the father loves them and can't bear to be without them and none of us can know the background to it all. I'm sure no physical harm will come to them if he's taken them back for what he thinks will be a better life.

 

[Tharg2007]

I wouldn't call this a case of child abduction though. The kids have been taken because the father loves them and can't bear to be without them and none of us can know the background to it all. I'm sure no physical harm will come to them if he's taken them back for what he thinks will be a better life.

if custody is with the mother and the father does NOT have legal custody then abduction is exactly what it is.

 

[ChrisKH]

i can only think that he is not a real parent but someone who sees the children as objects to be kept for himself. Any parent who truly loved their children would want them to be happy and that can only happen if they have their mother. A truly selfish person with no regard for others.

I don't think this is true in all cases. However, if I was involved in a split from my wife, I would personally concede custody as it would be the right thing for my children. I would lose out, definitely, but they would not and should not. I sympathise and can understand why this man has done what he has done, but I don't agree with it. This does raise the question of rights for fathers in this country. There is a disequilibrium in divorce and separation which needs to be rectified IMO.

 

[Tetedelacourse]

I agree with Chris and to an extent PaulB. It is abduction, no two ways about it, but there are scenarios in which I think it could be justified, and as we don't have any further details from User then this bloke's actions may well be justified.

For example, the mum is like Karen Matthews. I wouldn't think twice about taking my kids away at the drop of a hat if I were married to that waste of space. No-one in their right mind would, as it would be in the kids' best interests.

You can argue about the way in which it was done but in the grand scheme of things, not getting to say bye to friends will not have a huge bearing on their lives. Not right, but not the real issue.

Of course, if the mother was providing everything her kids needed then it's abhorrent.

 

[ChrisKH]

The man lived 200 yards from his wife and sons. He saw them whenever he wanted to, and they regularly stayed over. The boys were in a great school and had a good social circle. The father had a well-paid job.

The mother is a professional, kind, well-liked woman who is a good mother.

I can't see anthing to be sympathetic about.

Well I didn't know that did I? Nevertheless I sympathise, no empathise, with any man who has to go through a separation from their children in the knowledge that neither the law nor the system in this country supports men in that situation. I don't agree with what he did. Did I say that?

 

[Tetedelacourse]

Nay.

 

[PaulB]

You're serious? I hope not.

Someone snatches their kids away from their mother, their school, their friends, with no warning, no consideration to anyone but himself and no chance for goodbyes.

I am serious. You say "Someone snatches" the kids in order to maximise the impact of it all. "The father took his own kids", which is just as accurate but doesn't have the emotional fear-based impact, is a perfectly legitimate way to address the matter.

 

[theclaud]

I am serious. You say "Someone snatches" the kids in order to maximise the impact of it all. "The father took his own kids", which is just as accurate but doesn't have the emotional fear-based impact, is a perfectly legitimate way to address the matter.

WTF? He hasn't taken them for an afternoon in the Park, he has abducted them. Removed them from their home and their mother (legal guardian) without consent. "Snatches" seems a fair summing up.