Nottingham’s Police & Crime Commissioner banned for 6 months

[Alex321]

Had to laugh earlier walked into the lounge & the wife was watching Loose Women, Gloria Honeyford was on & I heard her say, "they were just normal people, you know not people with money" like those without money are a different species

Not to denigrate Gloria Hunniford at all, but from a high profile TV personality's point of view, perhaps many more people do fall into the category of being "not people with money" as she unwittingly let slip, than the average person would categorise as such.

Sorry, but I don't understand what you two are getting at here.

She is saying they are "normal people". Clearly by that she is implying that people with money are not "normal".

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Sorry, but I don't understand what you two are getting at here.

She is saying they are "normal people". Clearly by that she is implying that people with money are not "normal".

But as she is 'of money' which is therefore her normal, those without must not be normal.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Or just that you want to believe non-tory politicians are more "pure"?

Politicians & Pure, is that not an Oxymoron, although I think you can remove the Oxy for a whole raft of them

 

[a.twiddler]

At the risk of straying into NACA territory, given recent evidence, the current lot have let standards slip. I'm pretty sure that given the opportunity, if any of the opposition parties were in power long enough, the same thing might happen. The best thing for the public is to have a government with a small majority, which is likely to make the incumbents remain on their best behaviour. Having a large majority gives a sense of entitlement which obviously does trickle down.

I'm not suggesting that for example, the prime minister on being voted out for his mendacity and mediocrity should have been left in a locked room with a loaded revolver to "do the right thing, old chap" but somewhere between that scenario and the situation in which the lady in the OP finds herself, a sense of integrity and leading by example, after her fine words on being elected, ought not to lead to a debate on whether she should resign, it should be glaringly obvious that she should.

Also, regardless of Westminster, does no one have a sense of personal accountability any more? Surely someone in her position ought to be too embarrassed to carry on? It should come from within, not from twitter or public opinion, if she had any sense of wholeheartedness about the job she was purportedly doing.

 

[BoldonLad]

At the risk of straying into NACA territory, given recent evidence, the current lot have let standards slip. I'm pretty sure that given the opportunity, if any of the opposition parties were in power long enough, the same thing might happen. The best thing for the public is to have a government with a small majority, which is likely to make the incumbents remain on their best behaviour. Having a large majority gives a sense of entitlement which obviously does trickle down.

I'm not suggesting that for example, the prime minister on being voted out for his mendacity and mediocrity should have been left in a locked room with a loaded revolver to "do the right thing, old chap" but somewhere between that scenario and the situation in which the lady in the OP finds herself, a sense of integrity and leading by example, after her fine words on being elected, ought not to lead to a debate on whether she should resign, it should be glaringly obvious that she should.

Also, regardless of Westminster, does no one have a sense of personal accountability any more? Surely someone in her position ought to be too embarrassed to carry on? It should come from within, not from twitter or public opinion, if she had any sense of wholeheartedness about the job she was purportedly doing.

Sadly, I think that is a resounding "No"

 

[Gwylan]

Not much evidence of leadership setting an example from the top. You can see how all politicians are tainted by the actions of those in government to the extent that it causes a cynical response from the public towards members of all parties. The point should be, that the liars and alleged porn watchers, criminals and sex pests should be dealt with summarily and not left to linger on in the hope that "it's all right" and they can hang on if they want to, no pressure to resign unless they really really feel that they want to.

While we have a leader who is still permitted to linger on despite having demonstrated repeatedly that he's "lacking in moral fibre" to use a phrase from the past, there's no incentive for anyone else, at least in that particular party, to straighten up and fly right.

If the lady in the OP does resign, bearing in mind the cronyism and mates' rates that came about during the test and trace/PPE fiasco it's quite likely that she could end up in another plum job and that her husband could "facilitate it", to quote the judge in another context.

Morally constipated! His system lacks enough moral fibre

 

[Rusty Nails]

Any possible reason for believing that?

Or just that you want to believe non-tory politicians are more "pure"?

56 MPs, including ministers/shadow ministers are facing current referrals to Parliament's standards watchdog for sexual misconduct.

Obviously these have not yet been named, but a quick five minute search of MPs and former MPs actually disciplined/charged/ resigned in the past eight years over sexual misconduct brings up the following list, in which I have not included the party they represent(ed). This was a quick search and I may be wildly out, but do your own research if you think this is not accurate. I never mentioned the parties in my post but was aware of most of those named, there may be others, and it is this I based my comments on.

Mike Hill
Ivan Lewis
Keith Vaz
Mike Hancock
Chris Pincher
Imram Ahmed Khan
Neil Parrish
Rob Roberts
David Warburton
Andrew Griffith
Charlie Elphicke
Michael Fallon
Damian Green
Brooks Newmark

I have not included any allegations/accusations of sleaze, but there are also undoubtedly those on all sides, if you are interested enough to research the balance between the parties.

 

[FishFright]

No excuses & I'm not convinced 6 months ban is enough, but it does make you wonder if it was a concerted effort by somebody to expose her, only conspiracy theorist need reply

I've often wondered if speed camera's arrange these things for their own benefit.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

I've often wondered if speed camera's arrange these things for their own benefit.

We don't know she was caught by static cameras or at least I don't

 

[FishFright]

We don't know she was caught by static cameras or at least I don't

We don't know she wasn't either

 

[Cycleops]

This thread now needs redirecting to NaCA.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

It would be good to keep the thread focused on the hypocrisy of a P&CC getting convicted of five offences that she was claiming to be cracking down on.

I mean, once would be awkward but five times in just 12 weeks shows an habitual disregard for road safety and the law.

I can’t see how she can expect to stay in post. She should be removed immediately.

 

[cougie uk]

No excuses & I'm not convinced 6 months ban is enough, but it does make you wonder if it was a concerted effort by somebody to expose her, only conspiracy theorist need reply

She was caught by at least three different cameras speeding.

I don't think anyone needed to expose her - she is clearly an awful driver but I do wonder why so many times and now ?

New motor or something?

 

[Alex321]

It would be good to keep the thread focused on the hypocrisy of a P&CC getting convicted of five offences that she was claiming to be cracking down on.

I mean, once would be awkward but five times in just 12 weeks shows an habitual disregard for road safety and the law.

I can’t see how she can expect to stay in post. She should be removed immediately.

She can't be removed. She can only resign, or not be re-elected when her term is up.

She would of course resign, if she had a shred of decency.

 

[Rusty Nails]

It would be good to keep the thread focused on the hypocrisy of a P&CC getting convicted of five offences that she was claiming to be cracking down on.

I mean, once would be awkward but five times in just 12 weeks shows an habitual disregard for road safety and the law.

I can’t see how she can expect to stay in post. She should be removed immediately.

Of course her hypocrisy is astounding but hypocrisy is not a crime, just a symptom of the arrogance, dishonesty and self-entitlement of politicians today. The PCC job is meant to be unbiased rather than party political but it is obtained using the name of, and the backing of, a political party, one for which her husband is an MP in the County she represents. Not that that played any part in her nomination and running for the job of course. Any discussion of her action, or apparent lack of action wrt resignation, in this must take into account the political background.

Of course she should resign, given the number of offences, but it seems that honourable resignations are a thing of the past in politics.