Number of drivers using phones while driving tripled within a year!!

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Amanda P

Legendary Member
But it's not a war on motorists,is it?

It's simply justice.

It happens to be aimed at driving, but it's hard to think of any other area of life where reckless, dangerous law-breaking is so tolerated.

The points system is just bizarre: It's like saying it's OK to break the law in the same way four times before we'll take any steps to prevent you doing it again.
 
Changing the penalty will make no difference at all while the Police actively turn a blind eye to it. There's a lot of CBA being demonstrated by the Met on my commute. I've reported mobile use several times, but I doubt anyone was pulled for it.
 

dondare

Über Member
Location
London
How is it that motorists who claim that they can't help speeding because they find looking at the speedometer too distracting nevertheless believe that they can safely look at a screen, send a text message or twitter without it affecting their ability to concentrate on the road?
 
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HJ

Cycling in Scotland
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Auld Reekie
But it's not a war on motorists,is it?

It's simply justice.

It happens to be aimed at driving, but it's hard to think of any other area of life where reckless, dangerous law-breaking is so tolerated.

The points system is just bizarre: It's like saying it's OK to break the law in the same way four times before we'll take any steps to prevent you doing it again.

+1!!!
 

As Easy As Riding A Bike

Well-Known Member
The points system is just bizarre: It's like saying it's OK to break the law in the same way four times before we'll take any steps to prevent you doing it again.


Yep. The system basically reinforces the impression that breaking the law behind the wheel of a vehicle isn't really "a crime" at all.

Witness the Daily Mail response to Sussex Police's "Operation Crackdown". This is a website that allows people to submit reports of people driving on the mobile phone, speeding, et cetera. As far as I am aware, two separate reports are sufficient for the naughty driver to get a letter of warning through the post from Sussex Police.

Not particularly severe. But apparently - according to the Mail - these are "Stasi" tactics.

Really?

I wonder if they would label someone who reported shoplifting or burglary to the police as a Stasi informant. I doubt it.

But that, of course, is because those are "proper" crimes, whereas clearly the motorist should be allowed to get away with using a mobile phone illegally three times before anything is really done about it.
 

PBancroft

Senior Member
Location
Winchester
@WheelyGoodFun - What do you expect? It's the Daily Wail. This is the same newspaper which lambasts the Police for not doing enough about traffic crime and crime in general, and then complains when they do. Give their journalists a free meal and bottle of wine and they'd moan about the state of the shoddy crockery.

In general...

I seem to recall that there is somewhere close to 250,000 miles of roads in the UK, and 34 million motorists. I think its safe to assume that a very significant proportion of these motorists (if not all of them) will, at some point, break the law in their vehicle. This might be a minor infraction from creeping marginally above the speed limit, to much more serious offences. Some will offend only once or twice, and no harm will come of it. Some will be repeat offenders recklessly endangering the lives of others on a regular basis.

How do you even BEGIN to police such a huge thing? Obviously no officer is on duty 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and they can't possibly cover the entire road network either.

The points system is an interesting sidestep - I don't agree with it either, but imagine what would happen if drivers faced losing their licence for any infraction? 12 points on a licence in three years is not an automatic ban, although a court may impose one. If every driving infraction resulted in a court case it would become an administrative nightmare, and costly too. So let's imagine that any driving offence was an insta-ban... How many people would appeal, and how bunged up would the court system become because of that? Heck, if I lost my licence for not noticing my tail-light was busted I probably would.
 

asterix

Comrade Member
Location
Limoges or York
Can't wait to see the introduction of computer-driven cars. Humans just ain't up to the job. Not even me.
 

davefb

Guru
But it's not a war on motorists,is it?

It's simply justice.

It happens to be aimed at driving, but it's hard to think of any other area of life where reckless, dangerous law-breaking is so tolerated.

The points system is just bizarre: It's like saying it's OK to break the law in the same way four times before we'll take any steps to prevent you doing it again.


it is a penalty though,,, can easily bump up your insurance by quite a bit.... it also avoids any court costs / time /nick freeman (unless you can afford it of course).
at the moment though , its obvious that because people get away with it, people just continue to drive and talk



which reminds me, i was gunna report the black cab i was in last night for doing this..... didnt want to point it out at the time, as the gf would have gone ballistic :smile:
 

Jezston

Über Member
Location
London
@WheelyGoodFun - What do you expect? It's the Daily Wail. This is the same newspaper which lambasts the Police for not doing enough about traffic crime and crime in general, and then complains when they do. Give their journalists a free meal and bottle of wine and they'd moan about the state of the shoddy crockery.

In general...

I seem to recall that there is somewhere close to 250,000 miles of roads in the UK, and 34 million motorists. I think its safe to assume that a very significant proportion of these motorists (if not all of them) will, at some point, break the law in their vehicle. This might be a minor infraction from creeping marginally above the speed limit, to much more serious offences. Some will offend only once or twice, and no harm will come of it. Some will be repeat offenders recklessly endangering the lives of others on a regular basis.

How do you even BEGIN to police such a huge thing? Obviously no officer is on duty 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and they can't possibly cover the entire road network either.

The points system is an interesting sidestep - I don't agree with it either, but imagine what would happen if drivers faced losing their licence for any infraction? 12 points on a licence in three years is not an automatic ban, although a court may impose one. If every driving infraction resulted in a court case it would become an administrative nightmare, and costly too. So let's imagine that any driving offence was an insta-ban... How many people would appeal, and how bunged up would the court system become because of that? Heck, if I lost my licence for not noticing my tail-light was busted I probably would.

All good points that add to the debate. The main thing I feel that needs to happen is a change in attitude away from breaking the law on the road being ok. No idea how you could possibly enact such a change, though.

Also, to add to your first paragraph, they would also claim the food both causes and cures cancer.
 
Can I just qualify the OP's title for this thread. I dount the number of motorists using mobiles whilst driving has actually trippled, it's just that three times as many admitted to it when asked by the RAC.
Please don't think I'm defending the idiots for doing it, they should be glad the penalties aren't more severe and it peeves me greatly when some of those doing it are professional drivers in LGVs or HGVs.
One point, does anyone here think smoking at the wheel should be banned?
 

StuartG

slower but no further
Location
SE London
Points are not bizarre. In theory a good thing. Speeding was never considered a banning offence. A simple fine and that's it. If you are a hedge fund trader/premier footballer it was of no consequence.

Now you do get fined. Quite a lot if you are on or under the average wage. And you do get banned if you do it repeatedly .

To paraphrase Lady Bracknell - to be caught speeding once is unfortunate, to be caught twice is careless, three times ... there is surely a big difference between one who errs occasionally (and punished for that) and one who does it consistently. Getting the latter off the road is a really good thing. That's the deal - the 'good' motorist only risks having his fingers rapped occasionally, the 'bad' motorist risks getting his (metaphorical) legs chopped off. Points are merely a simple administrative process to enforce it.

So we can argue for more points, longer bans, greater enforcement. But if you dish points methinks you will have re-invent something similar to distinguish between those that offend and correct and those that offend and re-offend.
 

upsidedown

Waiting for the great leap forward
Location
The middle bit
I've often thought that if there was the threat of having the phone seized on the spot it would do more to deter people from using them.
 
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