Oddly aggressive

[Davidsw8]

As someone else mentioned, the RLJer, or any other miscreant on the road, may change their habit if 10 cyclists were shouting at him. We need more people pointing out antisocial behaviour, but you suggest we just let them get on with it. That's why they do it! We've become a society of wimps, we don't complain enough, and as a result we all suffer at the hand sof the louts.

And you just carry on shouting at RLJer's David, you might get someone else to join in.

Crikey, I don't think I ever shout at anyone. In fact, I'm really surprised the guy heard me - I'm sure he didn't hear what I exactly said but the fact I was speaking and looking at him was enough to make him lose it...

 

[Davidsw8]

David,

The only thing in your comments that made any sense is that you are a sticky beak..

It does not reinforce the idea that all cyclists are above the law. That is such a weak argument. It does reinforce the fact that the particular cyclists involved is aware thar Rlj is wrong and does not Care.

Selfish and stupid people do not Care who they punch and before long some sticky beak with a Web cam and the ability not to keep their mouth shut will get punched, stabbed or worse.

It makes me wonder what sort of riders Web cam wearers are if they buy one just in case they are in a collision. I am 55 and have not been in a collision yet. Personally, I dont think I will invest in one.

Steve

Hi Steve

So, you don't think cyclists have a reputation for going through red lights? And people committing offences and endangering themselves & others are things that don't make sense to / or concern you at all?

Personally, I'd be furious if someone did this to my grandmother:

http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/cycli...ng_highgate_grandmother_in_hospital_1_2336682

I'm also not sure what part of my explanation re: wearing the helmet cam (a webcam is completely different btw) you didn't understand. I wear it in case I'm ever hit and I was actually hit last December and the guy who did it would not have been prosecuted without the footage I provided.

 

[Davidsw8]

[QUOTE 2645265, member: 1314"]So why don't you shout at everybody who doesn't follow procedure on London roads?[/quote]

Did it sound like I was shouting in the clip?

 

[Davidsw8]

[QUOTE 2645306, member: 1314"]Fair enough. In which case do you make clear your disapproval to everybody who doesn't follow proper procedure on London roads?[/quote]

I don't think anyone could mistake one of my dirty looks for anything but clear disapproval

 

[Arfcollins]

Crikey, I don't think I ever shout at anyone. In fact, I'm really surprised the guy heard me - I'm sure he didn't hear what I exactly said but the fact I was speaking and looking at him was enough to make him lose it...

I didn't mean to cast aspersions. Carry on communicating with them at whatever volume you are comfortable with.

 

[User6179]

Hi Steve

So, you don't think cyclists have a reputation for going through red lights? And people committing offences and endangering themselves & others are things that don't make sense to / or concern you at all?

Personally, I'd be furious if someone did this to my grandmother:

http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/cycli...ng_highgate_grandmother_in_hospital_1_2336682

I'm also not sure what part of my explanation re: wearing the helmet cam (a webcam is completely different btw) you didn't understand. I wear it in case I'm ever hit and I was actually hit last December and the guy who did it would not have been prosecuted without the footage I provided.

If the guy in the clip was endangering anyone I would say have a word with him but he was endangering no one so you saying something is pointless , it only makes you look petty .
I looked at some of your clips on you tube and they are all of similar nature and they wont make drivers think any better of cyclists , they will just think we are petty twats cycling about trying to catch them committing offences, how is that going to help?

 

[Davidsw8]

If the guy in the clip was endangering anyone I would say have a word with him but he was endangering no one so you saying something is pointless , it only makes you look petty .
I looked at some of your clips on you tube and they are all of similar nature and they wont make drivers think any better of cyclists , they will just think we are petty twats cycling about trying to catch them committing offences, how is that going to help?

I don't care if a cyclist who thinks he's above the law thinks that some other cyclist with a helmet cam is a petty twat, that's not really the point is it Do you honestly think that man would have given a toss if there'd been anyone crossing the road?

With regards to the clips, maybe if more drivers knew they could be caught breaking the law, they wouldn't break the law so much? Lesser of 2 evils.

 

[Dave the Smeghead]

I simply don't understand the mentality of a RLJer. I always look on it as a chance to improve my acceleration or at the very least to make my legs a little stronger so that when I need a burst of acceleration they don't fail me.

 

[User6179]

I don't care if a cyclist who thinks he's above the law thinks that some other cyclist with a helmet cam is a petty twat, that's not really the point is it Do you honestly think that man would have given a toss if there'd been anyone crossing the road?

With regards to the clips, maybe if more drivers knew they could be caught breaking the law, they wouldn't break the law so much? Lesser of 2 evils.

I just think you dont do your cause any good by putting video clips of such petty matters , if you waited till you had someone doing something dangerous then more people would think these cycle cammers actually have a point , maybe we should all have a look at how we drive/ cycle instead of thinking whats this guys problem .

 

[BimblingBee]

Do you honestly think that man would have given a toss if there'd been anyone crossing the road?

I actually think he would have given a toss and not mowed down some pedestrians. I don't think he gave a toss about some bloke muttering at him about going through a red light, presumably looking a little excited staring at him in silence, eagerly waiting to get home to put a rather uneventful video on the internet.

 

[Davidsw8]

I actually think he would have given a toss and not mowed down some pedestrians. I don't think he gave a toss about some bloke muttering at him about going through a red light, presumably looking a little excited staring at him in silence, eagerly waiting to get home to put a rather uneventful video on the internet.

I doubt he would have 'mowed' anyone down cos it would have meant him coming off his bike, but given that he got so angry so quickly, I doubt he would've cared about getting VERY close and scaring people. I remember seeing a cyclist casually sail through on a red light and weave between a woman with a pram and an old guy, so I don't see mr anger management behaving better than that.

 

[Davidsw8]

I do think we have that reputation but also that it is founded on fantasy so unarguable.

Adrian, we've had this discussion and the 'reputation' point was just one of several points to chappy above. If it's 'unarguable' then let it go but you can't expect others not to ever mention it.

Some cyclists demonstrably do run red lights and people tend to focus their prejudices on what they perceive to be the negative actions/traits of a minority. There's no argument to say you should alter your behaviour simply because someone is prejudice but if that behaviour is an offence and potentially dangerous to others then of course you should. And again, sometimes peer pressure works, if people are embarrassed by the peers into behaving, great.

Granted, me muttering something to a psycho on a bike probably isn't the best method.

Regardless of the very minor point of reputation, the very basic fact of this RLJ'ing business is that it is an offence and it is dangerous, that's it. If some people want to ignore others committing offences then good on em but sometimes, I do say something... and yeh, I may well get a smack in the mouth for it one day.

 

[Davidsw8]

I think you need to refer him to the Evening Standard article...

Not this one?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...argue-it-is-for-their-own-safety-7753060.html

 

[Markymark]

The best way to stop RLJers is to be in front and stop at the lights yourself. Some ignore and go through but in my experience, many stop as they don't want to be seen as the person that keeps beings overtaken.

I commute 10 miles each way in/out of central London from the east and I've also noticed that there are quite a few that stop at all lights in central London but the Victoria Park seems to be some sort of gateway where people don't bother after that. Not sure if it's becuase they're less likely to be caught, or if its as aboive and they're more inclined to stop when everyone else does (most seem to in central London), or there's a percteption that is safer as there's wider roads, fewer cars and faster moving traffic.

 

[Davidsw8]

The best way to stop RLJers is to be in front and stop at the lights yourself. Some ignore and go through but in my experience, many stop as they don't want to be seen as the person that keeps beings overtaken.

I commute 10 miles each way in/out of central London from the east and I've also noticed that there are quite a few that stop at all lights in central London but the Victoria Park seems to be some sort of gateway where people don't bother after that. Not sure if it's becuase they're less likely to be caught, or if its as aboive and they're more inclined to stop when everyone else does (most seem to in central London), or there's a percteption that is safer as there's wider roads, fewer cars and faster moving traffic.

I was in Onyourbike to have my bike serviced the other week and the chap in front of me was there to have his bike fixed because he stopped at a red but the cyclist behind him chose not to and rode straight in to the back of him.

The RLJ'er picked himself and just rode off apparently.