Oddly aggressive

[Frood42]

Not this one?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...argue-it-is-for-their-own-safety-7753060.html

Evening Standard


http://www.theguardian.com/environm...ling-red-light-jumping-iam-survey?INTCMP=SRCH
The comments section on this article is 10 pages...

 

[Davidsw8]

Evening Standard


http://www.theguardian.com/environm...ling-red-light-jumping-iam-survey?INTCMP=SRCH
The comments section on this article is 10 pages...

So, looks like most of these newspaper articles are bullocks basically, no shock there then. I'm not entirely sure what the point being made by User was though.

 

[Frood42]

So, looks like most of these newspaper articles are bullocks basically, no shock there then. I'm not entirely sure what the point being made by User was though.

When you look at articles of the type that the Evening Standard produce, or even the poll produced by IAM, it shows that Adrian has a point:

I do think we have that reputation but also that it is founded on fantasy so unarguable.

In that cyclists have a reputation for RLJ'ing, but alot of it is founded on fantasy.

I rode 30miles this morning, from East London, through Central London, to West London, and then back again to East London before work, and the instances of RLJ'ing I saw was not in the region of 57% (but I did see some, but they were a minority).

I personally do not shout or mutter at RLJ'ers anymore, you just get wound up for nothing, their attitude will not be changed, they have made their choice and they will have to live by that choice (I would NOT like to see an accident though, and would speak up if I thought they were being that inattentive).

 

[Davidsw8]

I doubt the RLJ'ing is anywhere near 57%, not even close, but we all see at the very least one every single cycle trip so it's hardly a rarity by any stretch.

 

[Davidsw8]

And how many instances of casual speeding, phone use, obstructive parking etc? How often do car drivers comment on how they fear that the perpetrators give them a bad name?
They don't so why do we?

I agree, it's not fair.

 

[postman]

Best thing is to ignore.You will not change their mind set.The world is full of crap everything,from cyclists,drivers of all types.Mobile phone users.Just do your own thing and do it right.

 

[Jezston]

I do not draw a direct comparison... and to do so would be invalid. I only point out (and exaggerate for effect) that there is a teensy-weensy similarity between our own Teen-Dredd (the Judge Judy and Executioner of Rhyl) and this clip.

Why speak to the guy? What will it avail either of you? Yes, he was a confrontational shoutbasket, but what was the benefit even if he was J Christ Esq of Nazareth?

And I'll whisper the next bit... that is just the sort of junction I'd hop on a red, particularly if dropping onto the A23 south and down to Cla'am Common - if that's where I think it is.

Sorry for admitting that I might hop that red myself and even sorrier for drawing the comparison which is deeply unfair and probably also wrong.

Why are you speaking to OP? What will it avail to either of you?

Seems odd that you, someone who loves to confront and repeatedly reprimand anyone on this forum who dares post footage of something they were involved in, would have an issue with someone confronting and reprimanding them.

There's an irony or hypocrisy here and I'm not sure which it is but it's fairly staggering either way.

 

[Jezston]

It does not reinforce the idea that all cyclists are above the law. That is such a weak argument. It does reinforce the fact that the particular cyclists involved is aware thar Rlj is wrong and does not Care.

Selfish and stupid people do not Care who they punch and before long some sticky beak with a Web cam and the ability not to keep their mouth shut will get punched, stabbed or worse.

That's right kids - just shut up and walk on by if you ever see anything bad happen, because if any bad people do anything nasty to you as a result - it'll be your fault and you'll have deserved it.

Good grief I'd hate to live in such a society. Shame sometimes I think I do.

 

[Boris Bajic]

Why are you speaking to OP? What will it avail to either of you?

Seems odd that you, someone who loves to confront and repeatedly reprimand anyone on this forum who dares post footage of something they were involved in, would have an issue with someone confronting and reprimanding them.

There's an irony or hypocrisy here and I'm not sure which it is but it's fairly staggering either way.

You may have made this same accusation already on another thread. The answer is as it ever was and comes in more than one part:

1. I am incorrigibly childish and delight in this sort of thing. This is abundantly clear to most CC members.
2. It's not odd. Comment was invited. I'm told that these forum things work like that. Somebody invites commment and it is offered.
3. I don't think I reprimand. It's more a sort of puerile, mocking snigger. It's in my nature. There is no moral high horse with a saddle low enough for me to reach.
4. I absolutely accept the accusation of hypocrisy. I was banned while too young to hold a license, am a recidivist RLJ specialist ever trying unsuccessfully to reform, a former serial speeder with a points history to shame Chris Huhne and I ride on the pavement in Oxford Street. It is even hypocritical when I breathe...
5. I don't see the irony, but I'm not the brightest. I'm not sure I see the explicit hypocrisy in this instance either, although I freely admit to being a hypocrite.
6. I write in this matter as I always have with these headcam bleats. You have pointed it out before. My childish sniping is so utterly in line with my earlier efforts that it is hard to tell one post from another. That is not staggering unless you are very easily staggered. It would be staggering if I wrote the opposite.

I admire and enjoy the syntax of your post, but am surprised to see the preposition 'to' used in conjunction with the verb 'avail'. It seems an unusual construction.

And also, I think I have a point.... It is a bit dafty-pants to say, shout or mumble to other road users that they are transgressing. It is not righteous revolution by the downtrodden Bromptonista... It is dafty-pants.

Carry on.

 

[Davidsw8]

The one where, having routinely fed the urban myth about there being hordes of RLJing cyclists through publishing crap articles, the Evening Standard went out with the Met on a 'crackdown'. During the time spent with the Met on the operation, 13 cyclists were stopped for RLJing...

...and 147 motorists. Funnily enough, the Standard's stance seemed to change somewhat after that.

I have my own little prejudice about anything the Daily Mail has a hand in so would be fairly skeptical about either side of the argument from the Standard.

However, I wonder what percentage of each group was that RLJ'd, I'm assuming it wasn't an equal amount of cyclists and motorists.

Also, those crackdown's bother me a bit, I just wish the Met would be consistent with their policing. I've seen cyclists and motorists commit offences right under the nose of the police and they haven't done anything but then they do these (what seems like) publicity stunt crackdowns and everything's ok again? Hmmm.

 

[Davidsw8]

A fair point but don't make the mistake of automatically assuming that the cars outnumbered the cycles by a massive margin. There are plenty of sets of lights in London where, amongst those waiting at a red light, the cyclists outnumber the car drivers.

I guess so... Depends on the location of the lights and the time of day, it also depends on at what point the red light is jumped. You have your amber gamblers (amber seems to mean speed up rather than slow down in London), then you have your 'just gone red's but I'll risk it anyway' lot, then you have your 'the light's been safely red a while now but can't be bothered to wait' gang. It's the last group I have the biggest problem with and (I'm prepared to be proved wrong on this), motorists very very rarely would risk doing that.

 

[CopperCyclist]

Problem is, you said "you ran a red light" but he heard "you have a small penis"

As this was accurate it caused him some concern.

 

[Arfcollins]

And how many instances of casual speeding, phone use, obstructive parking etc? How often do car drivers comment on how they fear that the perpetrators give them a bad name?
They don't so why do we?

Because drivers aren't a vulnerable minority. They own the roads, especially the drivers who speed, use their phones and obstructively park.