Official Close Pass Licencing response

[col]

Maybe not the most important thing on the road but certainly a higher priority with regard safety.

As I see it Mag held a clear and visible position until he could see round the side of the bus by which time he was nearly upon the pinch point.

Col, you're giving the impression that the car was right behind Mags from the exit of the roundabout, which as we saw Mags check behind one can assume it wasn't.


I see untold unsafe riding everyday and this is not, IMO, an example of unsafe cycling.
It is paramount that cyclists ride as confidently and safely as they need and not to feel bullied, disregarded or put in danger by other traffic

Why would he need to see round the bus on the other side while blocking the road?
He noticed the car well before the pinch point,but instead of giving he held and made a big deal out of it.
Of course its unsafe cycling,how many others have this problem when not blocking traffic from passing?
He has had more incidents than most on her i think,why? because he insists on riding ignorantly and dangerously,then when he causes something to happen,blames everything on other vehicles,he is more than dangerous because he really believes he isnt.Or he doesnt and just says that

 

[tdr1nka]

I know I would have needed to see around the bus in case any one was filtering on the outside of the traffic. I would have also held my line up to the pinch point albeit a little faster.

I feel you're ignoring the fact that if we all had cameras we could all post vids of this nature almost everyday.
IME I'm not at all sure Mags is alone in encountering motorists like this it just he is using his vids to bring attention to the fact.

 

[col]

I know I would have needed to see around the bus in case any one was filtering on the outside of the traffic. I would have also held my line up to the pinch point albeit a little faster.

I feel you're ignoring the fact that if we all had cameras we could all post vids of this nature almost everyday.
IME I'm not at all sure Mags is alone in encountering motorists like this it just he is using his vids to bring attention to the fact.

By filtering on the outside?The only thing possible with that bus is overtaking on the wrong side of the road on a blind bend? So holding the line would be more dangerous for him
A lot faster was needed to make it less of an obstruction,and more of a genuine safety maneouver.
Im not ignoring that fact either,its all too common seeing bad drivers as well as bad cyclists,but i dont think posting it and laying blame on everyone else would help much.
He talks of constuctive critisism,iv given my opinion on how these things might be avoided,and im branded a troll,or very bias towards him?If he posted a vid of him doing well somewhere i would say so too,but iv yet to see one.Even his earlier vid posts which i thought were dubious and said so,had a reason for him cycling in a certain manner,even if it did make matters worse.

 

[tdr1nka]

By filtering on the outside?The only thing possible with that bus is overtaking on the wrong side of the road on a blind bend? So holding the line would be more dangerous for him

In London you could easily expect to find a motorcyclist coming towards you in this kind of situation. And as with the car it would be the motorcyclists call to give way.
IMO Holding this line gave Mag the driest and safest line with plenty of room to maneuver.

 

[col]

In London you could easily expect to find a motorcyclist coming towards you in this kind of situation. And as with the car it would be the motorcyclists call to give way.
IMO Holding this line gave Mag the driest and safest line with plenty of room to maneuver.

Ah i see,its a very unlikely but altogether possible situation that could develope?And in my opinion it gives him less time and further to go if it did happen.

 

[Rhythm Thief]

Your right,he would have been safely passed before the pinch point.Have you also noticed how a lot of what ifs,and in the gutter type things are mentioned in defence?I believe there are cyclists out there who dont block the road as they exit roundabuts,and give way for courtesy and safety reasons,even if it means losing a few seconds from their journey.

Mag's road positioning is completely irrelevant. The point is, he was there (rightly or wrongly) and the taxi driver should have waited behind him until it was safe to pass.

 

[Rhythm Thief]

Im not excusing anything,but a bit of forethought could save situations like this.

I agree. If only the driver of the taxi had thought ahead a little.

 

[col]

I agree. If only the driver of the taxi had thought ahead a little.

Or the cyclist been a little more willing to give a bit?

 

[BentMikey]

The cyclist didn't need to give way there, and shouldn't have since he didn't think it was safe to do so. That's as stupid as saying you expect cars to pull over and get out of your way if you want to do more than the speed limit.

There is only blame to be attached to the taxi driver for his impatience and bad driving.

 

[col]

The cyclist didn't need to give way there, and shouldn't have since he didn't think it was safe to do so. That's as stupid as saying you expect cars to pull over and get out of your way if you want to do more than the speed limit.

There is only blame to be attached to the taxi driver for his impatience and bad driving.

Of course bent

 

[Cab]

Tell them having reviewed their letter you now feel that contacting the police is the only way forward. A criminal record would be the end of his job if it ends up that way. No one wants that, but they've proved incapable of dealing with the situation.

Send duplicate complaints to your mp and the council itself and tell them why.

Lastly I would perhaps see the press as a last resort.

Seconded. Excellent advice I think; the taxi driver endangered you, the licensing people don't give a monkeys, send a copy to your councillor and to Plod.

 

[Cab]

Or the cyclist been a little more willing to give a bit?

And be overtaken with exactly the same lack of respect only this time with no room to escape.

 

[Arch]

Just the fact that you didnt try to point out any of this ,says a lot to me about you.I didnt have a problem,i asked why you said it.
I did answer you,im in no doubt about your intentions here now

If you can't understand my posts, which I think are usually clear to most people, maybe you need to think about them a bit more. And look up things like analogy and example in the dictionary. If I have to explain everything specially to you in twice the number of words, I'm just not going to bother.

 

[magnatom]

I haven't seen it mentioned so far, so I will dare to bring it up. Magnatom does not actually have any video evidence does he? He has a video that looks at events from around his eye level, it does not show how he was moving, he could have been slowly moving out to the right to squeeze the taxi, only a quick 'dive' right would show on the camera. We don't really see how far from the kerb he was throughout the whole incident. Also, he has taken it home and 'done stuff' to it on his computer, I am sure a court of law would not even allow it as evidence. We have no sense of the drivers view of events either.

You have to decide what you want, if that is realistic considering the 'evidence' you have then got to go to the cops, it's no use arseing about with council officials, they are going to do nothing. I fear you have to let it go, it will eat you up like a cancer if not.

To and extent, you are right Maggot. I don't have definative evidence. However, what I do have is a follow up video, where I take a similar line which of you view the video gives you an idea of what normally happens. Cars wait behind and overtake when safe to do so.

As for me actively moving over to squeeze the taxi. What you have to remember is that I always know for a fact, that any incident that happens to me that I happen to video will be inspected over in every detail. This one was no different. So if I do actively try to bring about incidents I would have to be a bloody good cyclist, with an idea of angles light etc, to continually hide the fact.

However, and this is the most damning evidence in my favour, what does the driver say when he stops to talk to me. Does he say I swug out at him, does he say that I caused the incident? No. He says, 'You were in the middle of the road!' Now is that what he would say if I had swerved out at him. He would more likely say, 'you were all over the place', you swung out' etc. So at the drivers OWN admission I was far out in the lane at the time of the overtake. (He says it twice!). So lets just take the drivers word for it......

 

[magnatom]

Good point Mr Holmes! However, my primary point stands, be clear what you want as an outcome, think objectively if that is achievable with the 'evidence' you have, if so go for it. If not, put it to bed and don't let it eat you away.

No worries about eating me away. I am always one to look for a positive, and I see this as a positive development. If I have to take it higher up then I can suggest that change is required etc. Suggest meeting with them and getting cyclist views across, and possibly a campaign etc. Always an opportunity, never a problem!