Official Closest pass video

[gratts]

Gosh, so many replies in 2 days!

Anyway, I've watched the video quite a lot, and I do think Mag is in the right!
The line he's assumed when overtaken seems to me to fit well with the position he should be when the road narrows literally 20 yards on.
And you can see how impatient the taxi was when there is a proper overtake performed just seconds down the road!!

Anyway, just my 2 cents. Dunno whats been said on the 20 odd pages I couldn't be bothered to read!

 

[alp1950]

Absolutely typical CC thread: when its good, its very very good; but when its bad its horrid.

32 pages & still counting. Just about everything that needed to be said was in the first 3 pages until Boydi's excellent contribution on page 29.

Memo to self: must stop reading any thread that goes beyond 3 pages.

Memo to Boydi: get your contribution in early otherwise I won't see it

 

[mr_hippo]

magnatom seeing that you are a pedestrian on a bike/wannaabe cyclist and resident whinger, I have noticed that most of your 'incidents' are in very light traffic - how would you cope in heavy traffic? My latest video -
View: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2EhX6adjWZQ
- was taken this morning (Friday 9th) and shows a 3 km stretch of Ram Intra Road, Bangkok. The traffic does get heavier later. Now, if you can't ride in light traffic without whinging then you would have no hope here!
You are not the only road user, you do not own the road and neither do you have 'right of way' on the road in the UK. Buy a copy of Cyclecraft, calm down and enjoy cycling.

 

[Lurker]

magnatom seeing that you are a pedestrian on a bike/wannaabe cyclist and resident whinger, I have noticed that most of your 'incidents' are in very light traffic - how would you cope in heavy traffic? My latest video -
View: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2EhX6adjWZQ
- was taken this morning (Friday 9th) and shows a 3 km stretch of Ram Intra Road, Bangkok. The traffic does get heavier later. Now, if you can't ride in light traffic without whinging then you would have no hope here!
You are not the only road user, you do not own the road and neither do you have 'right of way' on the road in the UK. Buy a copy of Cyclecraft, calm down and enjoy cycling.

I nominate this for the most Patronising Post of the Day - and the year, so far....

 

[rnscotch]

magnatom seeing that you are a pedestrian on a bike/wannaabe cyclist and resident whinger, I have noticed that most of your 'incidents' are in very light traffic - how would you cope in heavy traffic? My latest video -
View: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2EhX6adjWZQ
- was taken this morning (Friday 9th) and shows a 3 km stretch of Ram Intra Road, Bangkok. The traffic does get heavier later. Now, if you can't ride in light traffic without whinging then you would have no hope here!
You are not the only road user, you do not own the road and neither do you have 'right of way' on the road in the UK. Buy a copy of Cyclecraft, calm down and enjoy cycling.

You sir are a complete buffoon....

 

[mr_hippo]

You sir are a complete buffoon....

Care to explain yourself?

 

[Crackle]

Why Mr.Hippo are you in the 2nd lane with cars passing either side very close. You are effectively in no-mans land, it certainly doesn't look particularly comfortable or safe. You need to explain your reasoning on that one because I wouldn't be there.

 

[BentMikey]

magnatom seeing that you are a pedestrian on a bike/wannaabe cyclist and resident whinger, I have noticed that most of your 'incidents' are in very light traffic - how would you cope in heavy traffic? My latest video -
View: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2EhX6adjWZQ
- was taken this morning (Friday 9th) and shows a 3 km stretch of Ram Intra Road, Bangkok. The traffic does get heavier later. Now, if you can't ride in light traffic without whinging then you would have no hope here!
You are not the only road user, you do not own the road and neither do you have 'right of way' on the road in the UK. Buy a copy of Cyclecraft, calm down and enjoy cycling.

My goodness me, that is an appalling display of bad cycling, positioning, and poor anticipation.

Let's face it, Magnatom didn't actually do anything wrong, although we debated how he might have done things *slightly* better.

 

[mr_hippo]

Why Mr.Hippo are you in the 2nd lane with cars passing either side very close. You are effectively in no-mans land, it certainly doesn't look particularly comfortable or safe. You need to explain your reasoning on that one because I wouldn't be there.

You are correct! I am in the second lane and for good reasons. There are too many buses, mini-buses, cars and taxis stopping and starting in the left-hand lane; priority is given to vehicles entering the main road so they just whizz round the corner into the left-hand lane without stopping or looking. When I first cycled on Ram Intra, I did use the left-hamd lane and felt that it was a lot more dangerous there.
You say that you wouldn't be there, where would you be?

 

[Rhythm Thief]

Incidentally, does anyone else find it amusing (in a depressing sort of way) when a driver doesn't have the time to wait to get past safely, but always seems to find the time to stop and exchange insults? Always makes me chuckle, after the event.

 

[Crackle]

Difficult to say as I am unfamiliar with where you are but if I had to cycle in the 2nd lane, I'd be making more of an attempt to claim it and trying to maintain traffic speed, especially if cars are effectively just going to ignore me. Either way, yours and Maggers vids are not comparable as they are entirely different traffic situations, cultures and laws.

 

[Joseph]

I went down this route this morning. It was certainly interesting.

Conditions were a little warmer than when mags video was taken. I think this was the second time I'd ever ridden through that junction.

The first thing you realise is there's a huge difference in time or perceived time; there's really not that much time to consider lane positioning or anyhing else as you go! I think I had a bus come off the roundabout behind me about the same time mag's taxi did, albeit a bit slower. I did have to move consciously towards the middle of the road (more because of the parked cars beyond the pinch point than the pinch point itself), and did so ahead of the bus, who was either ambling along or deliberately giving me plenty of space.

So, er, conclusions; I think if I rode that junction again I think I'd more consciously try to take the line mags did (or perhaps something slightly more to the right, not sure), unless there was something right up my back coming off the roundabout.

(Not much further down the road both myself & the bus had to slow down because of other cars...)

[and that roundabout wasn't as dangerous feeling as I'd feared it would be!]

 

[Bollo]

I nominate this for the most Patronising Post of the Day - and the year, so far....

Hey, that's mine!

On a rare serious note, one thing I've learned over the past 2 years of camming up is that its rare that footage gives the whole story or completely matches your perceptions while you're riding. A pass you thought was atrocious at the time looks fairly benign on the video. Other times you notice how close you were to augering in without even realising it. The footage shows you wobbling around the lane like a drunk, but it doesn't show the craters and half-pipes you're trying to avoid.

Once the footage has been through peoples' brainboxes (sometimes without reading any explanations, mitigating circumstances etc), the perceptions are scrambled again, so its no wonder arguments ensue.

 

[hackbike 666]

Incidentally, does anyone else find it amusing (in a depressing sort of way) when a driver doesn't have the time to wait to get past safely, but always seems to find the time to stop and exchange insults? Always makes me chuckle, after the event.

It's doesn't make me laugh.

On Mr Hippo's Bangkok.I found the driving over there much more tolerant than over here.The driving over here is more agressive.I had real problems settling back in when I got back here with the general wallyness and poor driving.

 

[MacB]

It's doesn't make me laugh.

On Mr Hippo's Bangkok.I found the driving over there much more tolerant then over here.The driving over here is more agressive.

Accepted I don't ride in city/town centres and avoid big multi lane junctions/roundabouts, I'm sure driver aggression levels are higher there. Allowing for that I still think the majority of drivers seem ok. Of the rest stupidity, and poor driving skills/knowledge, seems to be a big factor. So far the homicidal maniacs seem to be in a tiny minority. But, hey, it's still early days for me and I reserve the right to take a political u-turn at any time I like