Official Closest pass video

[Origamist]

Drivers pass close when you're in secondary too and taking primary before pinch points can help, but that to has associated problems as Mag's video testifies.

"Coping strategy", pejorative!? You've got me flummoxed there.

No, "squealing" doesn't make it right - that's why I was criticising those who go in for it!

Hope all that is clear...

 

[beanzontoast]

Can't see how an understanding that road users make mistakes is irrelevant. It's fundamental to what happened here. Cycling with the certain knowledge that other road users won't always do what you assume they will in terms of position and speed is what matters. It's not a straightforward question of 'right' and 'wrong'.

 

[swee'pea99]

Can't see how an understanding that road users make mistakes is irrelevant.

It's irrelevant to the point at issue: could Mags have taken a better position on the road. I say yes.

 

[mr_hippo]

How about Mr Hippo here:

http://www.cyclechat.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=534893&postcount=152

I could go one, but would there be any point?

squeal
v. squealed, squeal·ing, squeals
v. intr.
To give forth a loud shrill cry or sound.
Slang To turn informer; betray an accomplice or secret.
v. tr.
To utter or produce with a squeal.
n. A loud, shrill cry or sound: a squeal of surprise; the squeal of tires.

I've not uttered a sound - has anyone heard me squeal? Neither have I informed on anyone!
What was the point of your post?
This is a forum where people give their opinions or haven't you realised that simple fact?

 

[beanzontoast]

Yes, but you're saying that because you think you can predict what the driver would have done if Mag had been in the alternate position you advocate. My point is, you cannot predict the driver's reaction or course of action with any degree of certainty at all. No one can.

 

[Origamist]

squeal
v. squealed, squeal·ing, squeals
v. intr.
To give forth a loud shrill cry or sound.
Slang To turn informer; betray an accomplice or secret.
v. tr.
To utter or produce with a squeal.
n. A loud, shrill cry or sound: a squeal of surprise; the squeal of tires.

I've not uttered a sound - has anyone heard me squeal? Neither have I informed on anyone!
What was the point of your post? This is a forum where people give their opinions or haven't you realised that simple fact?

Your earlier post is shrill (more of a pig squeal than a hippo wail) but that is only my opinion.

This is a forum where people give their opinions or haven't you realised that simple fact?

 

[swee'pea99]

Please don't put words in my mouth. I said no such thing.

 

[beanzontoast]

You're right, you said "could Mags have taken a better position on the road. I say yes." which I have no issue with as an opinion.

Would you not agree that, because the reactions of the driver to a different road position are unknown, Mag doing it differently would not necessarily have produced a better outcome?

 

[swee'pea99]

'not necessarily' - of course. The driver could have been a psycopathic cycle-hater, determined to close-shave riders wherever they happened to be.

But would you not agree that it's far more likely that if Mags had been, say, 2-3ft from the kerb, making it easy for the driver to pass him with a clear and safe margin, that's probably what would have happened?

We can't know the cabbie wasn't a psycopath, but it would seem odd to presume that he was - or even that he might have been. Few cabbies are. They're mostly just regular blokes trying to make a living, same as you and me.

 

[boydj]

[quote name='swee'pea99']Going back to the original video, one thing that still throws me is, Mags's declared reason for taking up primary so early was fear of black ice. I would have thought the best place to avoid black ice would be not in primary - untouched for the most part - but where car tyres are rubbing the road surface every few seconds. Which would be, oh, perhaps 2-3ft out from the kerb? By strange coincidence, an ideal distance to allow others to pass safely...

That's where I would have been.[/quote]

This is just wrong! I made the point in an earlier post that the kerb seems to dive away sharply to the left as you exit the roundabout. The line that cars take is a fairly straight line from the rab to the pinch point, so the line of the nearside tire is well away from the kerb. You can also see from the map that there are cross-hatchings next to the kerb as you approach the pinch point, so the area 2-3 feet from the kerb in this stretch of road is NOT cleared by car tires.

 

[boydj]

Memo to Boydi: get your contribution in early otherwise I won't see it

- and thank-you. I did have to wait until I could ride the route before I could make that contribution.

 

[beanzontoast]

know[/I] the cabbie wasn't a psycopath, but it would seem odd to presume that he was - or even that he might have been. Few cabbies are. They're mostly just regular blokes trying to make a living, same as you and me.

Maybe. Probability is a funny thing - if we ran our lives by it, no-one would ever buy a lottery ticket!

While I agree about cabbies in general, IME I've seen many who drive in a way that the average driver does not.

We'll have to agree to differ on this one!

 

[boydj]

Now, if you can't ride in light traffic without whinging then you would have no hope here!

I find the heavier the traffic, the easier it is and the fewer incidents there are because I am either occupying the lane and keeping up, or filtering past slow or stationary traffic. I'm sure Mags and others would agree with this, whether they are cycling in Glasgow, London, or Bangkok.

 

[swee'pea99]

This is just wrong! I made the point in an earlier post that the kerb seems to dive away sharply to the left as you exit the roundabout. The line that cars take is a fairly straight line from the rab to the pinch point, so the line of the nearside tire is well away from the kerb. You can also see from the map that there are cross-hatchings next to the kerb as you approach the pinch point, so the area 2-3 feet from the kerb in this stretch of road is NOT cleared by car tires.

Fair enough. In that case, I concede the point.

I have to say that personally I would still have felt nervous at best trying to hold primary in that position, at that speed, for that long, and would still, I think, have gone for secondary - carefully, and with a beady eye out for the old BI. But as far as the nearside tyres goes, if you say that's where they go, I'll take your word for it.

 

[col]

I don't.

Whatever situation he caused, he did not cause the actions of the driver. The driver did.

Read your post,you say whatever situation he caused,he did not cause the drivers actions,mmmmmm so the situation he caused has nothing to do with the situation?

No I'm not. Mag didn't make the driver do anything. He didn't have to pass him, or pass him close. He chose to.

Where's the contradiction?